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Hi everyone,

I received the attached parking ticket to which I appealed. My appeal is also attached.

There are no road markings (picture showing this attached), and the road is listed as public and maintained at public expense. There's nothing indicating specific ownership or any restricted areas related to the signage (picture of sign attached)

Today I received another letter, stating 'Unfortunately, you are outside of the appeals deadline and therefore you are unable to appeal to us or the IAS. We recommend settling the charge in order to avoid additional costs'.

Any advice on the next steps I should follow would be much appreciated, thank you in advance!

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« Last Edit: June 03, 2025, 06:52:07 pm by belikewater »

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Today I received another letter, stating 'your appeal letter was received outside of the deadline, so you can no longer appeal to us or the IAS and we recommend you settle the fine, as not to occur further costs'.[/i]
Please show us that letter. If they referred to the charge as a 'fine' that would be a major breach of their code of practice.
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Hi DWMB2
Thank you for your quick response. I ripped the letter up but have just pieced it together and it actually reads as per below -  apologies for the error of the wording in my original post, I have corrected this now.

'Unfortunately, you are outside of the appeals deadline and therefore you are unable to appeal to us or the IAS. We recommend settling the charge in order to avoid additional costs'
« Last Edit: June 03, 2025, 06:54:07 pm by belikewater »

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Can you see the irony here:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally appeal the Parking Charge Notice issued to my vehicle on Curran Embankment, Cardiff on the above date.

1. No Signage Indicating Registration Requirement

At the time of the alleged contravention, there were no visible signs or instructions indicating that registration was required. There were also no clear road markings or boundaries suggesting I had entered private land. The location appears to be part of the public highway maintained at public expense, and no signage indicated otherwise.

Additionally, the signage present states "Permit Parking Only", which means that any driver not in possession of a permit would be considered a trespasser. As per UK law, only the landowner may pursue a claim for trespass — a parking management company has no legal standing to enforce penalties on trespassers, as this falls outside of contract law.

2. Inadequate Delineation of Private Property

While some side areas along Curran Embankment may potentially be private property, they are not clearly or satisfactorily delineated. There are no road markings, signs, or barriers that would make a reasonable motorist aware that they were crossing from public highway into private land. This lack of clarity undermines any claim of breach of terms or trespass.

3. Failure to Comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, specifically but not limited to Section 9(2)(e), which requires the notice to "specify the period of parking to which the notice relates." This omission invalidates any attempt to transfer liability from the driver to me, the registered keeper.

There is no legal obligation for me to name the driver, and I will not be doing so.

This is a classic example of the Keeper blabbing the drivers identity, inadvertently or otherwise. This why the driver should ALWAYS be referred to in the third person.

At least you have other arguments to use but you've blown the best one that would have guaranteed a win if this ever gets as far as a court claim.
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Thanks so much for your response – really appreciate it! I did the best I could to put together a response. Hopefully, that mistake won't outweigh all the other issues with that parking charge and the site itself.

Just wondering – if a private parking firm doesn’t know who was driving, would they still just go after the registered keeper? And if it actually went to court, would I be legally required to name the driver, assuming I’m just the keeper?
« Last Edit: June 04, 2025, 08:01:24 am by belikewater »

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Just wondering – if a private parking firm doesn’t know who was driving, would they still just go after the registered keeper? And if it actually went to court, would I be legally required to name the driver, assuming I’m just the keeper?
Read https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/

A private company can only pursue the registered keeper if the comply with the appropriate legislation, the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (
An Act to provide for the destruction, retention, use and other regulation of certain evidential material; to impose consent and other requirements in relation to certain processing of biometric in...
legislation.gov.uk
), and many fail to do so, hence why you should rarely identify the driver.

You are never legally required to name the driver, most cases never actually get to court, but of course if you’re in court and asked under oath you’ll be unable to avoid it.
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Even in court, a defendant is under no legal obligation to answer any question that might tend to self-incriminate, including disclosing whether they were the driver. The burden of proof lies entirely with the claimant to prove their case; it is not for the defendant to disprove it.

While it is understandable that some defendants may feel intimidated if a judge were to ask directly, “Were you the driver?”, there remains no obligation to respond. It is perfectly reasonable to decline to answer. In practice, such direct questioning from a judge is exceedingly rare, and many experienced court users will never have seen it happen.

The judge must remain impartial and cannot assist the claimant. It is for the claimant or their representative to prove, on the balance of probabilities, that the defendant was the driver and that a contract was breached.

Should the defendant decline to answer that specific question, the judge must still determine the claim based solely on the evidence and legal arguments before the court. While the court is entitled to draw reasonable inferences, there is persuasive appellate authority confirming that refusing to answer does not in itself justify an inference of driver identity. If the judge were to find against the defendant solely on that basis, it could give grounds for appeal on the basis that the judge erred in law or reached a conclusion unsupported by the evidence.

Have read of the appellate case of VCS Limited v Ian Mark Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C] where the appeal was allowed because the original trial judge improperly inferred that the defendant was the driver purely because:

• He was the registered keeper.
• He did not provide any evidence to suggest someone else was driving.

The appeal judge (HHJ Mark Gargan) clearly ruled that:

• There was no evidence whatsoever identifying the defendant as the driver.
• The mere fact of being the keeper is not enough to infer driver liability.
• The lower court judge erred in law by shifting the burden of proof onto the defendant and by inferring driver identity without any evidential basis.

Therefore, to answer the original question directly: The case was appealed because the lower court wrongly inferred that the defendant was the driver without any evidence, and despite the claimant not satisfying the burden of proof.
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Great info from you both, many thanks!