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I only recently found this site and had used MSE for help in replying to claim received from  Premier Parking for not parking wholly within the bay in the centre of Birmingham.

I have now received a hearing date and time and I am after some advise as to how to ensure that my point gets across in the hearing as during the mediation the Claimant made the comment that I had used an online template that does not relate to the claim. I felt sure that I had accurately found a defence for not parking wholly within a bay but now doubt myself.

I have now received the claimants witness statement and evidence which I have attached and I have attached my defence submitted to the court. I have photos that I have taken when I went back to the carpark to look at the place myself which I can submit. I would like some advise on what else I can do to ensure a positive outcome.

1. My car is leased so it took a while for the ticket to be received by me,
2. I parked my car after 21:00 on a dark rainy night and paid the fee via the parking payment app,
3. The spaces were smaller than a usual parking space making parking difficult but not obstructive,
4. Signage was unclear as they are situated high above height level and not easily readable especially late at night and when raining which potentially breaches the consumers rights act regarding fairness of terms.
5. My car wheels are actually situated on the line of the space and only the front wheel is slightly turned out - not preventing anyone from parking next to me thus causing any financial loss to the claimant and should be considered as De minimis.
6. The charge is excessive considering they have suffered no financial loss

Thanks in advance

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Why didn't;t you continue to use the MSE forums advice? Knowing how any claim issued by Gladstones is never compliant with CPR 16.4(1)(a), you should have defended using the Chan and Akande transcripts and ordering a strike out. You have not done so.

Also, the zclainat s WS is deficient and we have not seen yours. Have you prepared a WS yet? What are your deadlines? If you've received the claimants WS, you are probably close to or even possibly past your deadline.

From what I can see, this will go to a hearing and it will be up to you to hope you get an understanding judge and that you can explain your case intelligently and clearly. I would not have advised you respond to the claim as you did. You blew away a PoFA no Keeper liability defence. I note that the facsimile of the sign provided in the claimant's "non" witness statement (it is made by a paralegal, who is not an actual witness and so less if no weight should be given to their evidence) does not match the sign shown inter evidential photos. This suggests that they are lying about their signs.

The list goes on but I'm afraid I am overwhelmed with just dealing with cases where I have advised on from the start of the process. Unless there is anyone else here that is willing to assist in your case, I think you are now on your own unless you get further advice over on MSE.

At the moment, you probably have a 50:50 chance of succeeding at trial as they are not going to discontinue.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks for your reply.
I didn’t continue with MSE as I really struggled to get advise on there.
Could I not use the arguments you suggested? If you point me in the right direction I am sure I could coherently and clearly make my argument. What dates do I need to meet these arguments?
Thanks

When is the hearing? Have you submitted your Witness Statement (WS) yet? The paper work you received with the hearing date will also tell you what the deadline is for submitting your WS. What is that deadline?

The judge is going to get the bundle on the morning of the hearing. He/she will have about 5 minutes to skim read through all that waffle from both the defence and the claimants WS. The judge is going to look at it, probably sigh with despair and try to find the two simple nuggets of information they need to make a decision. Is the claim valid and did the defendant breach the terms and conditions.

If it's not too late for you to submit your WS, then all you can do at the hearing, when asked, put your side of the story. You can point out to the judge that the claimants WS is from a paralegal and no weight should be given to it. You point out that the facsimile of the sign in their WS is not the same as the blurry photo of the sign they have provided as "evidence".

You say that the claim is de minimis. You were not obstructing any other vehicle or people. You keep it very simple and stick to the facts. If you are given a chance, you can point out that the landowner contract does not appear to be valid because it is over 8 years old and there are too many redactions on it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi
Thank you again for your reply.
I panicked that missed something on the hearing letter. It’s says nothing about submitting a witness statement! What do I need to put in the witness statement cause I will try and send now this weekend or week if the judge is not looking at it till the morning and will read it out and the simple facts at the hearing. The hearing is 4/7. I have attached a copy of the hearing notification.

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There must have. been more than the single page you've shown us. Normally, there will be written that both parties must submit their statements/bundles no later than 14 days before the hearing date.

You can try and submit a WS, which is simply your version of events that you are hanging on your defence hooks. If you do submit your WS, you must also copy in the claimant.

I suggest that if you manage to submit your WS, you take 3 printed copies with you to the hearing as the claimants rep is likely to say that they never received it and you can then hand out a copy to both the claimants rep and the judge and have a copy for your own reference.

However, you have cone here very late in the process and you will have to do some searching for other WS examples here and elsewhere in order to understand what the WS actually is. Unlike the defence which is written in the third person and should be simply some concise hooks on which your WS will later hang on, the WS itself is written in the first persons, in your own words.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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I’m a registered nurse research runs through my veins! I will do it tonight.

The other side of that form is my name and address there was nothing else with it cause would have kept it even if it were a blank piece of paper. I have found another dated 28/4 following the failed mediation that makes mention of a witness statement but no time scale.
Thanks again and I will post it as soon as I’ve done it.

Para. 28: the defendant is pursued as the hirer.

Impossible.

The hirer was University Hospitals Birmingham NHS.

Thank you again and I do appreciate that this is all a bit late. I am not usually this tardy! I cannot actually believe i missed the the WS! I have drafted the attached, please ignore the exhibit numbers I got a bit carried away numbering every document and I need to sort that out still. However, I do have 2 questions about areas of this I am not sure I have grasped an understanding of.

1. How does the Chan and Akande case apply when. I knew when I knew before I received the court papers that this was for not parking wholly within the bay? Is it because the court papers do not clearly state this and it could be that they are suing for something else entirely? I have included both in my WS on the basis of the latter.

2. Where can i find the transcript of the judgement for the Akande case? I have found and annotated and understand the Chan one but not the Akande.

Thank you again.

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« Last Edit: June 29, 2025, 07:47:35 am by Withmerci »

WE have not see the Particulars of Claim (PoC). However, I do know that any claim issued by Gladstones is never compliant with CPR 16/4(1)(a). However, it has reached the hearing stage and the claimant has paid the trial fee and submitted a WS.

You can still try and argue that it should be struck out as a preliminary matter for this failure. The Chan and Akande cases are only persuasive, not binding. The judge does not have to follow suit just because you have referred to them.

The PoC should be sufficient to describe the claim to you. Assume you know nothing about this and the first you know about it is the N1SDT Claim Form arriving. Looking at the PoC, would you be able to know what you are being sued for? Of course you can't because there is no cause of action shown in the PoC (I know this without even having seen them).

Your defence should have emphasised that point but you have simply used the over long and never read MSE defence. All that defence does is p!ss off the judge and they will not read it.

Right now, you do not even know whether the court will accept your late WS. I told you the main points to concentrate on. You may be given an opportunity to speak. If you are, then keep it simple. De minimis.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I called the court today, as I sent my witness statement to the court and the claimant on Monday 30 June, I was told that it has been accepted and uploaded as part of the bundle for the judge.

I will follow your advise as above tomorrow and keep it simple and see what happens. Thank you again for your advise.

That doesn't mean that the claimants legal rep will not try to argue that it was late and shouldn't be accepted. Although, in the small claims track, the judge can be very flexible and in most cases will accept it. If asked why it was late, apologise and make sure you have a good excuse.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Their claim was dismissed within 5 mins on my arrival 😊

Thanks for your help 😊
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Good result, well done! Can you provide a brief summary of what happened/why it was dismissed?

The judge asked for my side of things told me straight out he didn’t want to hear any legal jargon or stuff i had gotten from the internet. That took me a bit by surprise so I kept it simple made sure I said the facts as they were. Premier parking or the reps didn’t show not sure why however there is are 2  major events in Birmingham today cricket and the black sabbath thing at the villa so traffic is horrendous round the city, but I managed to get through it! The judge basically asked me for proof of what i was saying about the space being coned off next to me meaning no one was meant to park there anyway. I showed him using premiers own pictures tried to use mine but he said they were after the event so couldn’t be used. He then just said alright enough, I’m dismissing it as premier haven’t adequately proven their case! I asked for costs he told me not to push it. He told me to park carefully next time. It was over!
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