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Hello!  In dire straits here some advice is needed please !
I’ve linked all docs I have to ah d regarding this PCN of nearly 2 years ago.

I can confirm categorically that I was not driving the car , 3 other people have access to my vehicle .

So a bit of background may help, I’ve been living with stage 4 cancer for nearly 4 years .  I’ve been having various treatments and the cancer has spread significantly in that time, (Oct 2024 found in my brain, last week I was having emergency surgery to remove my ovaries and tubes due to spread). Many rounds of chemo/ radiation etc.

I know this isn’t a defence but this parking fine has NOT been a priority naturally .  Until I received CCJ threats I’ve honestly ignored all letters.

I have produced a defence submitted online which I shall paste here ;

Defence
Defense Statement

The Defendant was the Registered Keeper of the vehicle on the date
of the alleged incident on 21 August 2024. The Defendant was not
the driver.

No Keeper Liability - POFA 2012
The Claimant has failed to satisfy the strict requirements of the
Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 to transfer liability
from the driver to the Registered Keeper. Specifically:
The Claimant’s Particulars of Claim fail to state the legal basis
upon which the Defendant is held liable.
The Claimant has not complied with the Notice to Keeper
requirements timing/wording mandated by POFA.
The Defendant is not legally required to identify the driver, and
the Claimant cannot presume the keeper was the driver as per
Elliott v Loake.

Abuse of Process - Double Recovery
The Defendant disputes the £50 legal representative fee.
In the Small Claims Track, such costs are generally not
recoverable. Furthermore, the Claimant’s base charge is intended
to cover business costs; adding further legal or debt recovery
fees is an attempt at double recovery and an abuse of the court
process.

Conclusion

The Defendant denies any liability to the Claimant. The court is
invited to strike out the claim as it has no realistic prospect of
success

I used chat GOT for help as I didn’t know what else to do, perhaps this was wrong? 

Now I’m not sure what to do/ how to complete the small claims track form and what the outcome may be from here .

Thanks in advance

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Re: PCN - Westbourne medical centre - payment not received
« Reply #1 on: »
Do you have a N1SDT claim form with dates on it, or did I miss it?
If so, please post with the password but not the dates obscured.

It should include the Particulars of Claim which are often woeful.
« Last Edit: Today at 02:44:45 pm by jfollows »

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« Reply #2 on: »
Could we also see the original PCN?

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« Reply #3 on: »
Sorry I thought I included the claim form it’s here

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Wasn’t sure what you meant by password ?
TIA
« Last Edit: Today at 04:56:22 pm by Katyjeanes »

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« Reply #4 on: »
Thanks  for your replies

Sadly  it seems I no longer have the original PCN will continue digging for it

Re: PCN - Westbourne medical centre - payment not received
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Sorry I thought I included the claim form it’s here

https://ibb.co/cKVhqGP6

Wasn’t sure what you meant by password ?
TIA
No, we need to see the front of this.

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It’s there also if you left under you need to select the pic on left

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« Reply #7 on: »
If you do not have the original PCN then you can send a Subject Access Request to the parking company to obtain this, which you should do as a matter of urgency.

Re: PCN - Westbourne medical centre - payment not received
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It’s there also if you left under you need to select the pic on left
I haven’t a clue what you mean by this.
If I’m being stupid and others can make progress, then I apologise.

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There are 2 photos in that link but I can resend with just the front page

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Claim form above

I have until 29th June to complete the questionnaire , I’ll request the original PCN but assuming this is done by post , it could be cutting it fine .  I’ll try to get hold of them asap but contact details seem to be just for making payment .

Thanks again for all help

Re: PCN - Westbourne medical centre - payment not received
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You have until 11 May to file a defence or Acknowledgment of Service.
If you file AoS you have until 26 May to file a defence.
Why do you think you have until 29 June?
If I am right, you need to check you do not already have a judgement in default against you.
If you are right, you can use MCOL to file your defence.
You did not obscure the password as suggested, by the way. Sorry if I wasn’t clear on this. It probably doesn’t matter.
« Last Edit: Today at 04:45:26 pm by jfollows »

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In the docs  uploaded there is a notice of proposed allocation to the small claims track.   

My defense i had already sent as noted in my initial post.   The small claims track proposal states that i must complete the form N180 by 29th June 2026.

 

Re: PCN - Westbourne medical centre - payment not received
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Then you should search the forum for
N180
and find, for example
Quote
Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CEL and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

Again, if you did not file a defence or AoS you may find your case struck out. If you did, it would help us if you told us what you did and when.
« Last Edit: Today at 05:24:07 pm by jfollows »

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Hi , thank you for your reply again.

so my defense was in my original post, i used chat GPT which as isaid was maybe not a great idea.

Here is my defense to the money claim which was acknowledged, and i was then sent the questionnaire for the small claims court.  The claimant has also sent their completed directions questionnaire which was in the link in my first post.

Defense Statement

The Defendant was the Registered Keeper of the vehicle on the date
of the alleged incident on 21 August 2024. The Defendant was not
the driver.

No Keeper Liability - POFA 2012
The Claimant has failed to satisfy the strict requirements of the
Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 to transfer liability
from the driver to the Registered Keeper. Specifically:
The Claimant’s Particulars of Claim fail to state the legal basis
upon which the Defendant is held liable.
The Claimant has not complied with the Notice to Keeper
requirements timing/wording mandated by POFA.
The Defendant is not legally required to identify the driver, and
the Claimant cannot presume the keeper was the driver as per
Elliott v Loake.

Abuse of Process - Double Recovery
The Defendant disputes the £50 legal representative fee.
In the Small Claims Track, such costs are generally not
recoverable. Furthermore, the Claimant’s base charge is intended
to cover business costs; adding further legal or debt recovery
fees is an attempt at double recovery and an abuse of the court
process.

Conclusion

The Defendant denies any liability to the Claimant. The court is
invited to strike out the claim as it has no realistic prospect of
success