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The driver stalled at the roundabout closest to the end of the new Bristol airport access road. There was a a meet and greet booked and they were looking up and driving slowly round the roundabout to find the correct car park. There was a short stay, hotel car park and Drop and Go and multi story all at the same roundabout! The car stalled because the wrong gear was selected and the cctv stills show a "stop" or "park" (I was stalled) of 23 seconds. I’ve attached the original PCN and the letter before claim. The stop was involuntary due to a stall, lasted ~23 seconds, and caused no obstruction. I’ve submitted appeals with timestamped images, booking confirmation (Meet and Greet), and legal precedent (Jopson v Homeguard), but IAS rejected it. I have now received a letter before claim (attached). Looking for advice on whether to pay, negotiate, or defend in court. They have replied to my reply for the letter before claim and have returned the information I requested. They have paused until 9th October for me to take advice? Please could I have some help on this! I am feeling rather low?

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Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills show 23 secs
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Did you identify the driver?

If not, Bristol Airport is not ‘relevant land’ and PoFA 2012 can not be used to transfer liability from the driver to the registered keeper.

Search the forum for

VCS Bristol

and find, for example, https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/vcs-cn-stopping-in-a-prohibited-zone-bristol-airport/msg67207/#msg67207

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Did you identify the driver?
Based on the information he has provided, yes.

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Agreed, the appeal identified the driver. I didn’t look that far originally.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2025, 02:40:23 pm by jfollows »

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Unfortunately, I did, although I have to say that it was really was an involuntary stall for 23 seconds as evidenced by their cctv footage.

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Silly move, identifying the driver but all is not lost. There is no contract with the driver because the signs are prohibitory. There is nothing on offer.



Even though the keeper admitted to being the driver (duh!), the claim, when it comes, will still have no foundation because there is no contract here to breach. The airport signs say “No stopping” and then threaten £100 if you stop. That is a prohibition, not an offer.

Contract law needs an offer that a person can accept and receive some benefit in return. Here nothing is offered at all; the message is “don’t do it”. Doing the forbidden thing cannot turn a prohibition into a paid-for contract. At most it would be a technical trespass, which only the landowner could pursue for actual loss, usually nothing.

There is also no real chance to agree to anything. These signs sit on a live airport approach and a roundabout. A driver must watch the road, not pull over to read complex wording. Without a fair opportunity to read and choose, there is no agreement by conduct.

A stall is not a choice; it is an unavoidable safety stop. Contract liability depends on a voluntary act. Road safety rules require the driver to remain where the car dies until it is safe to move. An involuntary stop cannot sensibly be treated as the driver choosing to buy a £100 “service”.

This is nothing like the Supreme Court’s Beavis case. In Beavis the motorist got something in return (free parking time) and the charge protected turnover. Here there is no permission to stop at all and no facility provided. The £100 is a deterrent, not a price for a service.

The NtK also undermines their position. They call this a “period of parking” but accuse “stopping where stopping is prohibited”. Stopping briefly on a roundabout is not parking. On top of that, the notice waves around keeper liability where the site is airport land under byelaws. While keeper liability no longer matters once the driver is known, the misuse of PoFA shows the template nature of the claim and weakens credibility.

In any claim, they would have to prove a valid contract, prove clear, prominent signage that offered terms, prove the driver had a fair chance to agree before the event, and explain why an involuntary safety stop amounts to a deliberate acceptance of a charge. They would also have to show they have authority from the landowner to sue for a contractual sum rather than for trespass.

Experience is that these “no stopping at airports” claims usually unravel on those points. Even if a judge disagreed on liability, the common £70 add-on is not recoverable in small claims, which further cuts down any exposure.

Plainly put: this is a vexatious private firm of ex-clampers trying to levy a penalty where contract law does not fit. A judge is likely to see it as a speculative invoice based on a prohibition, not a bargain. Hence, there is still a solid leg to stand on despite the driver admission.

Come back when you receive a response to your response to the LoC.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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This feels like one they'd be stupid to litigate. But it is VCS...

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@Patmoore, as per your PM, why on earth would you prepare a "court bundle" in response to a Letter of Claim (LoC)? Please show us the LoC and ONLY redact your personal details and any reference numbers. Please leave everything else visible, including the names of any signatory.

We do not need to see any forms or generic payment info. Just the main elements of the LoC and any schedule of what they say you owe and why.

If the LoC is defective per the PAPDC, then we can give you the necessary response.

Remember, this is not winnable by them and is simply being progressed to this point because they believe you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and are likely to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

So, no ned to show us any "bundle" you may have prepared at this stage. If/when they actually issue a claim, we will deal with it based on the content of the Particulars of Claim (PoC).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you for your help! I have uploaded the LoC and my response to it?????


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I am unsure as to whether the laast post contained my reply so I have added it in here!

https://imgur.com/a/Qy5sC3a

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All good so far. The ball is now in their court and you are waiting for their response to your letter.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you!

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As a matter of interest, did you send that by post? If so, did you post it first class and get a free certificate of posting from any post office?

We never recommend using post. It is too unreliable and slow. You should ALWAYS, if possible correspond by email. You can attach any correspondence as a PDF to an email and you have proof of sending, proof of delivery and it is instantaneous with no trees being harmed in the pro9cess.

Elms Legal show the following email address which you should use:

info@elm-online.co.uk
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Hi - I responded by post, with a certificate of posting as well as email!
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FYI, here is a successful defence with costs awarded against VCS for exactly the same allegation:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6635565/bristol-airport-no-stopping-fine-case-success-and-724-cost-dcb-legal/p1
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain