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I have explained the issue in a video here:

Images here: https://imgur.com/a/lbh4eQr

GSV link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/LSRwqHfMJggTECHr6

As shown in the Google map screenshot, Atlip Road (marked blue) is a private road - there are no sign to mark the road as private road.
Adjacent to the Atlip road is Atlip Center Wembley car park (marked yellow), this is controlled by ANPR, installed on the Atlip Road.

One fine evening the driver parked on the Atlip Road on sections without yellow lines for 25 min and went to eat ice-cream at a shop on the main road for 25 min!! During the day times the driver have parked the same place many time assuming it to be unmarked public road and never received a PCN.

As explained in the video there are no markings at the entrance or elsewhere indicating that it is a "private road. To a layperson, it appears to be a public road, and it would seem acceptable to park on sections without yellow lines. In fact, one of the signboards (in the top right corner of the image) states: "You must park wholly within a marked bay. No Parking on Roadways/Yellow Lines/Paved/Hatched or Landscaped areas." However, a driver has no reason to read it, as they would have no indication that they are on a private road within a car park. The signboard appears to be part of the car park rather than the road. Even if a driver reads the sign, the preceding line states: "Customers of the Atlip Centre must log their full correct vehicle registration into the permit system inside to qualify for free parking." Combining these two statements, one would never assume (at least, I did not) that they apply to the road outside rather than just the car park.

The company claims (as shown in the image) that the road forms part of the car park, with both the road and car park constituting a controlled area. Hence been been sent a ticket.

The driver did internal CPM appeal which they rejected, they are now at at the IAS appeal level. Which is when they have sent the site map which shows the road as part of the controlled area.


Claims to appeal.

1) For a driver there are 2 separate sections, Atlip Road and Atlip Center Car park, not one big controlled area.
2) For a driver entering Atlip Road there is no marking to inform that the road is a "private road" so in drivers knowledge they are entering a public road. 
3) First Signage appears around 45 inside the road stating "Private Land"+"Permit holder only" when read in conjunction to "See signs in the car park" - refer to the visitors of Atlip Center Wembley, does not apply to a driver who do not intend to visit Atlip Center Car Park or a driver who thinks they are entering a public road.
4) In all the subsequent signage they have NEVER clarified that the road is part of the "car park" to a layperson there is no way to know. All the words are referring to the "car park" so to driver who do not intend to use the car park these signs are ignorable.
5) On the road there is double yellow line on one side and unmarked section on the other side which is in line with what a public road would look like.
6) Many people have fallen to similar confusion, and have received PCNs, which is a clear case that the signage is insufficient, almost looks deliberate trap.


Any help would be appreciated much. Thank you!
« Last Edit: August 22, 2025, 08:36:35 pm by StudentOfParking »

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Re: PCN for Parking on Private Road Which Appears As Unmarked Public Road
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Please show us the whole Notice to Keeper (NtK) and do not redact any dates or times. Only redact your personal information, VRM and the PCN number. Which unregulated private parking firm?

The NtK was issued to the Keeper. They had no idea of the drivers identity unless the Keeper has blabbed it to them, inadvertently or otherwise. You say the "driver" has appealed, which suggests that the drivers identity is known and if it is the same person as the Keeper, that is a huge blunder, as up to that point, with there being no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver, they would have had nowhere to go with this PCN as it appears (subject to confirmation once we have seen the whole NtK) not to be PoFA compliant, which means that only the driver could be liable.

As for the lack of an entrance sign notifying that the driver is entering private land, that is also a winnable point, at least at court.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Thank you for your response. I had now attached new images.

The company was CPM UK Car Park Management


  • PCN - Redacted
  • Internal Appeal
  • Internal Response
  • IAS appeal
  • IAS response

Images: https://imgur.com/a/FCxiz3o

I did try to keep the identity of the driver unknown, however at IAS appeal there was a form and being a newbie.. unfortunately driver/keeper is now known to them as per the IAS appeal response.

Apart from what you pointed.. What I think, they are clearly violating section 3.2 of Single Code of conduct because.. they are operating different physically distinct sections (road, car park) of controlled land as one.

Kind Regards
« Last Edit: August 25, 2025, 04:52:15 pm by StudentOfParking »

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IAS is not going to accept your appeal. Their kangaroo court decision is not binding on you. You can challenge them in court but the odds of it actually going that far are slim. Wait for the IAS rejection, ignore the useless debt recovery letters that will follow, as they are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the glibly tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Thanks will follow.

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I am in my IAS-appeal to and fro!!

Since as of now "The Single Code of Practice is not binding" but CPM in their internal appeal rejected my appeal citing "The Single Code of Practice".
Available in the attachments above their internal appeal reads.

Either due to the reason for issue and/or the insufficient evidence provided to support the details of your
appeal, we have considered this PCN and found that it does not fall under the category of Annex F the
Appeals Charter of the Single Code of Practice. Therefore, if no further evidence is provided, we will
deem this to be our final decision.


1) Does citing non-binding code of conduct make their internal process unfair?
2) Does it also means since they have cited the "The Single Code of Practice" it now becomes binding to them?

Any thoughts will be helpful.
Thanks
« Last Edit: September 09, 2025, 05:26:51 pm by StudentOfParking »

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I'm not sure what you mean... All IAS and BPA members are required to follow the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice. What do you mean when you say "Since as of now "The Single Code of Practice is not binding""?

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I am not much sure.. but they mentioned non binding.

On further checking it showed me:

The Single Code of Practice (Version 1, dated 27th June 2024) for the private parking sector is non-binding because it is a voluntary, self-regulatory code developed and adopted by industry trade bodies (the British Parking Association and International Parking Community) rather than being a statutory instrument enforced under UK law. This status stems directly from the UK government's withdrawal of its proposed statutory Private Parking Code of Practice in June 2022, following legal challenges from parking operators who argued that elements like charge caps and bans on debt recovery fees were not properly consulted on and lacked sufficient impact assessment.


In (https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/private-parking-code-of-practice/private-parking-code-of-practice) under history it says:

In February 2022, the previous government issued a code of practice in accordance with this legislation, but it was withdrawn in June 2022 due to legal challenge.

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Update

Following my appeal to IAS they have quietly moved the signage as per suggestion in my argument, and still did not withdraw the PCN. https://imgur.com/a/becGCvg <br><br>

I have suggested to IAS "This I believe is acceptance by CPM that their previous signage was inadequate under the IPC Code Schedule 5, B, page 40. They have taken on board my multiple arguments that how the whole setup made it look like that Atlip Road was public road." to direct CPM to cancel the PCN.<br><br>

Let see what happens.

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Update: IAS Adjudicator has now rejected my appeal.

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Show us their excuse that has been made by some nobody pretending to be legally trained.

Their decision is not binding on you. You can safely ignore all the useless debt recovery letters that will now come your way. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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This is the reply I have received on 03/10/2025. And already received 2 Debt Recovery chasers from : Debt Recovery Plus.

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"The Appellant should understand that the Adjudicator is not in a position to give legal advice to either of the parties but they are entitled to seek their own independent legal advice. The Adjudicator's role is to consider whether or not the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each individual case. In all Appeals the Adjudicator is bound by the relevant law applicable at the time and is only able to consider legal challenges and not factual mistakes nor extenuating or mitigating circumstances. Throughout this appeal the Operator has had the opportunity consider all points raised and could have conceded the appeal at any stage. The Adjudicator who deals with this Appeal is legally qualified and each case is dealt with according to their understanding of the law as it applies and the legal principles involved. A decision by an Adjudicator is not legally binding on an Appellant who is entitled to seek their own legal advice if they so wish.

I am satisfied that the Appellant was parked in an area where the Operator has authority to issue Parking Charge Notices and to take the necessary steps to enforce them.

Images, including a site map have been provided to me by the Operator which shows the signage displayed on this site. After viewing those images I am satisfied that the signage is sufficient to have brought to the attention of the Appellant the terms and conditions that apply to parking on this site. I am not satisfied that the Appellant has provided sufficient evidence to establish that the signage on the site is insufficient. There is clear, visible signage along Atlip Road and it is the driver's responsibility to read the signage. It is not a valid defence for a driver to say that they did not do so or did not see it.

The terms and conditions of parking at this location are such that drivers must log their full, correct VRN into the permit system inside the Atlip Centre to qualify for free parking. In the photographs provided to me I can see that the Appellant remained on the site for 25 minutes and in the data provided I can see that the Appellant's VRN was not registered, which the Appellant does not dispute. It is the driver's responsibility to ensure that they register their vehicle and otherwise conform with the terms and conditions of the Operator's signage displayed at this site. Whilst I appreciate the circumstances raised by the Appellant, mitigating/extenuating circumstances cannot be taken into account. The whole site is private land and I do not accept that the Appellant had cause to believe he was entitled to park on the roadway without registering his vehicle, or at all (as the signage clearly states that drivers must park within a marked bay). As stated above, I am satisfied that the signage was sufficient. If the Appellant was not a customer of the Atlip Centre, who parking is provided for, he should have refrained from parking there. ANPR cameras are entirely sufficient evidence of the time a vehicle spends on the site and there is no requirement for photographs of the vehicle parked to be provided. As such, on the basis of the evidence provided I am satisfied that the Appellant was parked in breach of the displayed terms and conditions and that the PCN was correctly issued on this occasion.

I have considered all the issues raised by both parties in this Appeal and I am satisfied that the Operator has established that the Parking Charge Notice was properly issued in accordance with the law and therefore this Appeal is dismissed.
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Nothing has changed. Come back when you receive an LoC. You have been told you can safely ignore all debt recovery letters and we really don't need to know about them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain