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PCN - Am I inadvertently admitting liability?
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I have been sent a Parking Charge Notice for use of a car park. My mother was driving my car at the time, and has retained the ticket that she bought to use the car park. NCP have sent me a Parking Charge Notice for "parking without payment of the parking charge". The ticket covers a 24 hour period on the day in question, but the car was only parked for approximately 3 hours.

I have started to follow NCP's online appeals process, but it is asking me to confirm that I was the vehicle's keeper "when the contravention occurred". (See link below for screenshot of their website). If I choose this option, am I inadvertently admitting that a contravention has occurred? I was/am the keeper of the vehicle, but no contravention has occurred, as a valid ticket was purchased to park the car.

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I have started to follow NCP's online appeals process, but it is asking me to confirm that I was the vehicle's keeper "when the contravention occurred". (See link below for screenshot of their website). If I choose this option, am I inadvertently admitting that a contravention has occurred?
No, and certainly not if your appeal makes clear that no contravention occurred.

Before submitting anything, do feel free to upload a copy of the notice you have received, as well as a copy of the ticket purchased, so we can advise on anything that can further strengthen your appeal.
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Thank you for your prompt reply. I just get the feeling that the language chosen on their website is designed to trick you into admitting that a contravention has taken place.

The letter they sent me, and the ticket are both attached, with identifiable information redacted.

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I just get the feeling that the language chosen on their website is designed to trick you into admitting that a contravention has taken place.
If they tried to argue that selecting that you were the keeper on their online form meant you were admitting some sort of liability for the charge itself, I think a judge would take a very dim view of it in court.

Looking at the time the ticket was purchased, all I can assume they've done is issue the charge because the ticket was purchased more than 5 minutes after entering the car park, which is at best sharp practice, and clearly ridiculous in an ANPR car park where there's no need to display a ticket anyway, and where the driver left after around 3 hours despite paying for 24.

Thanks for uploading the notice - if you are the registered keeper of the vehicle (i.e. the V5C is in your name), then in addition to the driver having paid, you cannot be liable as the keeper, as they have sent the notice too late to be able to recover the charges from you under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (there's a link to it in my signature). You could appeal along the lines of the below:

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Parking Charge Notice (number: ______) for Vehicle Registration Mark ______. I was not the driver at the time of the parking event. There is no requirement for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so. I am appealing in my capacity as the registered keeper on the following grounds:

  • The driver paid the required parking tariff

I have attached a copy of the parking ticket purchased from the ticket machines in the car park, clearly showing that the driver purchased 24 hours of parking upon entry to the car park, more than sufficient to cover the 3 hours 4 minutes that the vehicle was on-site. As such, your claim that the driver parked without payment of the parking charge is incorrect.

  • No keeper liability - Failure to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act.

Date of event: 10 October 2023
Date of Issue: 26 October 2023
Date of presumed service: 30 October 2023 (PoFA para. 9(6) refers).
Elapsed period between event and giving of notice: 20 days.

The notice was clearly given 6 days outside of the relevant period of 14 days required for keeper liability as prescribed by PoFA. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my personal details have been removed from your records. If you do not accept this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code.

Yours etc.
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Does the reg no on the ticket match, payling particular attention to zero/oh and one/ell

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Thanks for uploading the notice - if you are the registered keeper of the vehicle (i.e. the V5C is in your name), then in addition to the driver having paid, you cannot be liable as the keeper, as they have sent the notice too late to be able to recover the charges from you under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (there's a link to it in my signature). You could appeal along the lines of the below:

Thank you so much for the time and effort that you have put into this for me. I will send them this in the morning. I wasn’t aware of the 14 day rule. 

All the best
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They can still hold the driver liable if issued after 14 days, but of course, they don't know who that is, and you won't be telling them.

Let us know their response.
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Does the reg no on the ticket match, payling particular attention to zero/oh and one/ell

Yes, it’s all good in that regard.

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They can still hold the driver liable if issued after 14 days, but of course, they don't know who that is, and you won't be telling them.

Let us know their response.

My appeal was successful! Thank you very much for your help.
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Good result, well done, and thanks for coming back to let us know.
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