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Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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I have received a Parking Charge Notice which I am considering to challenge - car details are correct as is the arrival and departure times
The issue is the signage and the fact that I had been informed that there was 30 minutes waiting time - evidently not the case
I have not declared who the driver was and am wondering if I should appeal - my gut feeling is this will fail or to weather it out

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Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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As with your last thread, for meaningful advice, read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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Thanks have read the forum guide
so basically I had entered the restricted parking area and parked in the delivery bay - this is of interest as the signage does not allow for deliveries even though there is a dedicated delivery bay within the restricted parking area
I parked here for 35 minutes as I was informed that there was a 30 minutes grace for deliveries
« Last Edit: October 28, 2025, 09:42:01 pm by nothalf »

Re: Parkingeye PCN - delivery space - no signage guidence
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also if appealing is this an admission for driving the car?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2025, 09:04:53 am by nothalf »

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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Thanks have read the forum guide
And then immediately ignored the advice in there against unecessarily saying who was driving. Please follow the other instructions in there regarding showing us relevant documents etc.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2025, 10:06:01 pm by DWMB2 »
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Re: Parkingeye PCN - delivery bay - no appropriate signage
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following are photo evidence of the PCN, car park layout and GE screen shots
I will upload the signage when I am back in the area

PCN P1 & P2

Red Lion plan

GE street views

I have till 01.11.25 to appeal - shall i appeal with this evidence and declare that i am the registered owner?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2025, 07:48:42 pm by nothalf »

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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There is no register of owners.
Registered keeper.

The READ THIS FIRST also says
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3. Post the notice(s) you have received – as well as providing important context, the notices may contain/omit details that can be used to help you successfully fight the charge. Upload photos of any and all notices you have received from the parking company. You should show us all pages of the notice(s), remove personal details (name/address, PCN reference number, Vehicle Registration Mark), but show us all dates and times. Details that you think are trivial could help you win, so don’t leave anything out.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2025, 12:48:26 pm by jfollows »

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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You have redacted the dates on the Notice to Keeper (NtK). DO not redact ANY dates on there. What you have shown appears to be a reminder, not the original NtK.

Only the original NtK is what matters.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parkingeye PCN - delivery bay - no appropriate signage
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ok there are dates on the NtK front and back and I binned original. 
I have up dated the PCN P1 P2 in the previous post which now has the date/times logs revealed
So can you advise on my next move as I am looking to appeal before the dead line (01.11.25)
thanks

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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You have until 7/11/2025 to submit an appeal (28 days after deemed receipt). However, without seeing the original NtK, it is difficult to advise precisely. All ParkingEye NtKs fail to comply with PiFA 9(2)(e)(i) which means that they cannot pursue the Keeper if the driver remains unidentified.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

PoFA 2012 para 9(2)(e)(i) requires that an NtK must invite the Keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge. Your NtK does not.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ParkingEye has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ParkingEye have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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thankyou b789
I will use your 'quote' for the appeal
Below are photos of the 'restricted parking zone' - not sure if the notice boards are detailed enough

Red Lion Yard - notice boards and lay out including loading bay

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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Those signs are not capable of forming any contract with the driver. The headline terms are purely prohibitory: “Permit Holders Only / This area is for the use of permit holders only”.

That wording makes no offer to non-permit holders capable of acceptance. Without an offer, there’s no contract; at most there could be trespass, which only the landowner (not the parking operator) can pursue.

The sign requires a prior arrangement (“report to the management office… to obtain a permit”). That confirms parking is pre-authorised only. A driver arriving without a permit has no mechanism to accept terms there and then, so a £100 “charge for breach” cannot arise by contract with them.

The detailed text is in very small print. Even if an offer were intended to non-permit holders, the core terms are not prominently conveyed to that class of driver; the dominant message is prohibition.

For permit-holders, the sign may operate as regulatory signage supplementing the separate permit agreement (e.g., “park within marked bays”, “no yellow lines/hatched areas”). Any contractual relationship would arise primarily from the permit’s terms, not from this sign.

Conclusion: The signage is incapable of forming a contract with non-permit holders; any purported £100 “parking charge” against them is misconceived. It may regulate permit-holders under their existing permit terms, but it does not create a freestanding contract with non-permit holders.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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Hi FTLA
have received the following letter -

Appeal Letter

I have 28 days to provide the evidence of the driver - which is not the plan. . ...
« Last Edit: November 20, 2025, 06:47:35 pm by nothalf »

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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Impossible to read properly, but it looks like a fishing letter which you should ignore in order for a POPLA code to be issued, which is what you want.
Image quality is too poor.

You do not have to provide “evidence of the driver”, what - apart from a letter from an unregulated private company - makes you think that you do?
« Last Edit: November 20, 2025, 08:15:29 pm by jfollows »

Re: Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice
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It’s just their boilerplate phishing exercise for the drivers identity. Respond as follows:

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Dear Sir or Madam,

Re: Parking Charge Notice [PCN reference] – Vehicle [VRM]

Your letter dated 18 November 2025

I write as the registered keeper.

Your response fails to deal with the central point raised in my appeal, namely that your Notice to Keeper (“NtK”) is not compliant with Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“PoFA”), specifically paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). As such, you cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability from the unknown driver to me as keeper.

PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) argument
Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2) is binary (“must” means all or nothing) and this NtK omits the mandatory invitation to the keeper to pay under 9(2)(e)(i).
Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2) does not say the notice should include certain things. It says:

“The notice must — (a)… (b)… (c)… (d)… (e)… (f)… (g)… (h)… (i)…”.

Must” is compulsory. PoFA 9(2) is a statutory gateway to keeper liability: either every required element is present or the gateway never opens. There is no such thing as “partial” or even “substantial compliance” with 9(2). Like pregnancy, it is binary: a notice is either PoFA-compliant or it is not. If one required limb is missing, the operator cannot use PoFA to pursue the keeper. End of.

Here the missing limb is 9(2)(e)(i). That sub-paragraph requires the NtK to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges. The law is explicit that the invitation must be directed to “the keeper”. It is not enough to tell “the driver” to pay; it must invite “the keeper” to pay if the creditor wants keeper liability.

What this NtK actually does is talk only to “the driver” when demanding payment, and nowhere invites “the keeper” to pay. The demand section of the NtK is framed entirely in driver terms (e.g. “the driver is required to pay within 28 days” / “payment is due from the driver”) and there is no sentence that invites “the keeper” to pay the unpaid parking charges. The word “keeper” (if used at all) appears only in neutral data/disclosure paragraphs or generic definitions, not in any invitation to pay. That omission is precisely what 9(2)(e)(i) forbids.

For the avoidance of doubt, 9(2)(e) contains two limbs:
1. 9(2)(e)(i) – an invitation to the keeper to pay; and
2. 9(2)(e)(ii) – an invitation either to name and provide a serviceable address for the driver and to pass the notice to them.

Even setting aside 9(2)(e)(ii), the absence of the 9(2)(e)(i) keeper-payment invitation alone is fatal to PoFA compliance. The statute makes keeper liability contingent on strict satisfaction of every “must” in 9(2). Where a notice invites only “the driver” to pay, it fails 9(2)(e)(i), so it is not a PoFA notice. The operator therefore cannot transfer liability from an unidentified driver to the registered keeper. Only the driver could ever be liable; the driver is not identified. The keeper is not liable in law.

No duty to name the driver
Your latest letter misrepresents PoFA by suggesting that I “should” provide the driver’s name and address and that, if I do not, you will have “the right to recover” the charge from me under paragraph 9(2)(f).

PoFA imposes no obligation on a registered keeper to name the driver. It merely sets out conditions that must be met if an operator wishes to hold the keeper liable. Because your NtK fails 9(2)(e)(i), those conditions have not been met. The necessary gateway to keeper liability remains closed.

For the avoidance of doubt:
indent]1. I will not be identifying the driver;
2. You cannot lawfully rely on PoFA to pursue me as keeper; and
3. Any attempt to do so will be defended, starting from your non-compliance with 9(2)(e)(i).[/indent]

Subsequent letters cannot cure a defective NtK
Keeper liability, if it arises at all, must arise from a fully compliant NtK. You cannot retrospectively “repair” a defective NtK by quoting PoFA 9(2)(b) or 9(2)(f) in a later letter. The fact remains that the NtK itself fails to satisfy 9(2)(e)(i), and that is determinative.

Put up or shut up
Given the above, you now have only two reasonable options:
1. Cancel this Parking Charge Notice; or
2. Issue a formal rejection of my appeal, accompanied by a POPLA verification code, so that an independent assessor can consider, as a preliminary issue, your failure to comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) and the consequent absence of keeper liability.

Any further template letters pressing me, as keeper, to either pay or to name the driver – without addressing your lack of compliance with 9(2)(e)(i) – will be treated as unreasonable and may be relied upon in any complaint to your principal and relevant bodies.

I look forward to either written confirmation that the charge has been cancelled or, failing that, your rejection and POPLA code.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
Registered Keeper
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain