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I've looked through the forum - would this be ok to forward to POPLA?

To whome it may concern, I am appealing against the PCN as the Hirer of the lease vehicle however, I was NOT driving the vehicle at the time of the PCN charge. I have no legal obligation to identify the driver and I am therefore, declining to do so.  After viewing the photographic evidence presented by Parking Eye, there is no evidence to show that the person they are persuing is the driver.  The burden of proof is on the operator to show that the person they are pursuing is in fact the driver.

Please view the Photographic Evidence taken by Parking Eye and you yourself will see, all the photograph shows, is the number plate of the leased vehicle due to the photograph being captured at night.  I therefore kindly ask you to cancel the PCN Charge.

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Is the max 1:00 stay only relative to match days? Consider this for your POPLA appeal:

The average person — the proverbial man on the Clapham Omnibus — cannot be expected to:

• Know which events qualify as a "match",
• Know the dates or times of such matches,
• Or be compelled to look it up somewhere else.

In contract law terms, this raises serious issues of uncertainty and unfairness. For a parking restriction to be enforceable as a contractual term, it must be:

• Clear and unambiguous,
• Prominently displayed, and
• Communicated at the time the contract is formed (i.e. when the driver parks and reads the sign).

The term “match day” without definition fails that test. There’s case law to support the principle that unclear or ambiguous terms cannot be relied upon to form a binding contract, especially in consumer contracts governed by the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

As this is part of a private parking dispute, you could challenge the charge on the following grounds:

• Ambiguity of terms: The phrase “match day” is not defined anywhere and cannot be reasonably understood without external knowledge.
• Failure of signage: There is no reasonable expectation that a motorist should conduct additional research to understand parking terms.
• Unfair term under CRA 2015: A term is unfair if it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights to the detriment of the consumer and is not written in plain, intelligible language.

There... that should be the foundation of a POPLA appeal. Have at them!
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« Reply #47 on: »
I'd have the lack of PoFA compliance as the central pillar at POPLA as it's the most likely to convince the assessor.

I'd include the match day issue as an additional point.

Here's a recent hirer case: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/private-parking-charge-notice-no-permit-moving-out/
« Last Edit: April 03, 2025, 12:24:16 pm by DWMB2 »
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« Reply #48 on: »
Thanks both - I'll take a look and put something together and post back for feedback before I send - worried I'm not going to get my wording correct as I need to understand what it is exactly I'm taking about.   :-\

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« Reply #49 on: »
Evening folks..

I've drafted up the following, how does it look?

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I am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Parking Eye as the Hirer on the following grounds:

The Notice to Hirer (NtH) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 & 14, meaning liability cannot be transferred to the Hirer.

The Notice to Hirer (NtH) Fails to Comply with PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 & 14. To transfer liability from the Keeper to the Hirer, PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 14(2) explicitly requires that the operator provides:

A copy of the hire agreement.
A copy of the statement of liability signed by the Hirer.
A statement signed by or on behalf of the hire company confirming that the vehicle was on hire during the alleged contravention.

Parking Eye has failed to provide any of these documents with the NtH. Without full compliance with these mandatory conditions, the Hirer cannot be held liable under PoFA.

Legal Reference: PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 14(2) states:“The creditor may not recover the charge from the hirer under paragraph 4 unless the creditor has given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (2) (and for the purposes of this paragraph, a reference in paragraph 6(1) or (2) to a notice to the keeper includes a reference to a notice to the hirer).”

Given the failure to comply with PoFA 2012, meaning liability cannot be transferred to the Hirer, this Parking Charge Notice is unenforceable. Therefore, I request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the charge immediately.

Additionally, the signs display in the car park, parking restrictions during Match days.  How is the average person expected to know what qualifies as a match or event day, and then expected to know the dates and time of when such Matches or events are held?  The ambiguous phrase ‘Match day’ or ‘Event’ cannot be reasonably understood without external knowledge.

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« Reply #50 on: »
OP, let's just go through this step by step using actual facts!

The driver is liable for any breach.

PE have sent you a Penalty Charge Notice informing you that in their opinion the driver is liable to them in the sum of £100 for the stated breach.

Who are 'you'?

You are the lessee of a vehicle.

So...

They have NOT sent you a Notice to Hirer, so why call it such. It's not even called a Notice to Keeper! Your draft dwells on why it isn't a compliant NTH which is predicated on it trying to be one in the first place. It isn't, it's a Parking Charge Notice.

Dear Sir,
I refer to the Penalty Charge Notice dated *** addressed to me in respect of what the creditor claims was a breach of contract by the driver at the stated location on ****. This is reinforced by the only statement as regards liability which can be found in the notice(page 2 refers) which is that 'the parking charge is now payable by the driver'.

I wrote to the creditor on receipt of their PCN on ***(they refer to this as an appeal, but this is purely their internal jargon). In my letter I pointed out that the vehicle was on lease from ***. Their reply simply states that I 'have reached the end of their appeals procedure' and offers the opportunity to 'appeal' to you. But against what is unclear because their response simply repeats the contents of the PCN which is that the driver is liable.

Their reply also provided a code to 'appeal' to yourselves but on what basis is unclear as I am the lessee. None the less, I am submitting my 'appeal'.

As I understand the creditor's procedures they must prove the following:

That the driver is liable to them for the amount at issue; and in the alternative

That the registered keeper or the hirer.

The only formal notice that I have received is the Penalty Charge Notice. This was not accompanied by any enclosures or attachments. It therefore follows that you must find that unless the creditor can show that I am the driver you must accept this 'appeal' because as far a can be determined the driver is the only person referred to in the PCN and their response.

They have not established this in their evidence and therefore you must allow my 'appeal'.



IMO, this is sufficient for the moment as I think it scopes the key issues. Once this has been submitted and PE notified, they will submit evidence(if they've nothing better to do). You would be asked by POPLA to comment.

The PCN doesn't refer to hirer liability, so IMO it's unnecessary to introduce this. If anyone's going to it's them, but not you.
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« Reply #51 on: »
HC... Aside from the fact that it isn't a penalty charge notice, I'm not sure I agree with that approach.

In an ideal world, where POPLA were fit for purpose, it would work. In the real world, where they are not, they won't consider points that are not explicitly mentioned. Therefore, talking them through what would have to have happened for the operator to have been able to hold the hirer liable, then explaining why that hasn't happened here, is in my view more likely to succeed.
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HC... Aside from the fact that it isn't a penalty charge notice, I'm not sure I agree with that approach.

In an ideal world, where POPLA were fit for purpose, it would work. In the real world, where they are not, they won't consider points that are not explicitly mentioned. Therefore, talking them through what would have to have happened for the operator to have been able to hold the hirer liable, then explaining why that hasn't happened here, is in my view more likely to succeed.

Thank you - would you mind checking my above response and OK'ing it to send to POPLA? I appreciate all the feedback.

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« Reply #53 on: »
Here it is amended and an extra point of appeal added:

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POPLA Appeal: Grounds – Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, Ambiguous Signage, and No Evidence of Landowner Authority

I am the Hirer of the vehicle and am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on two principal grounds:

1. The Notice to Hirer (NtH) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14)

To transfer liability from the Keeper (in this case, the Hire company) to the Hirer, PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 Paragraphs 13 and 14 impose a series of strict requirements. These include not only the content of the Notice to Hirer, but also the obligation to enclose three specific documents, as listed in Paragraph 13(2):

13(2): “The documents are— (a) a copy of the statement of liability signed by the hirer under the hire agreement; (b) a copy of the hire agreement; and (c) a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm confirming that the information contained in the statement of liability is correct.

In accordance with Paragraph 14(2)(a), the operator must, within the relevant period, give the Hirer a Notice to Hirer accompanied by:

• The Notice to Keeper;
• A copy of the hire agreement;
• A copy of the statement of liability signed by the Hirer;
• A statement from the hire company confirming the hire details.

ParkingEye has failed to provide the required documents with the NtH. This renders their attempt to transfer liability to the Hirer legally ineffective.

As per Paragraph 14(1), a creditor may only pursue the Hirer if both:

• they are unable to pursue the Keeper under Paragraph 13(2); and
• they have fully met the conditions in Paragraph 14(2), including providing the required documentation.

Failure to include these documents invalidates the NtH for the purposes of PoFA, and therefore the Hirer cannot be held liable.

2. No Evidence of Driver Identity – No Presumption or Inference Permitted

As established above, the Notice to Hirer does not comply with PoFA 2012, and therefore the operator cannot transfer liability to the Hirer. In the absence of compliance with Schedule 4, liability for the charge can only rest with the driver.

Parking Eye has provided no evidence identifying the driver of the vehicle at the material time. The operator has simply issued a Notice to Hirer and proceeded on the basis that the recipient is liable.

There is, however, no legal presumption that the Hirer (or Keeper) was the driver. This has been firmly established in persuasive case law, including the appeal judgment in Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023). In that case, the Circuit Judge held that:

“It is not open to a parking company to rely on a presumption, or even the balance of probabilities, to assert that the keeper was the driver.”

This ruling confirms that liability cannot be inferred or assumed where a parking operator has chosen not to rely on PoFA or has failed to comply with its terms. In such circumstances, the burden of proof remains entirely with the operator to prove the identity of the driver.

As no such evidence has been provided in this case, and the NtH is non-compliant with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to pursue the Hirer. The appeal must be allowed on this ground alone.

3. Signage – Ambiguous and Unenforceable Terms

The signage at the site makes reference to different conditions on a “match day” or “event day,” yet provides no explanation or definition of what qualifies as a “match” or “event,” nor does it indicate how a motorist is supposed to identify such days.

There is no calendar, noticeboard, or real-time information provided on site. The ordinary motorist — the reasonable person — cannot be expected to research third-party sports fixtures or event schedules online to determine whether enhanced restrictions apply.

This renders the term “match day” vague, ambiguous, and incapable of forming a clear and enforceable contract. This is contrary to the requirement that all contractual terms be communicated transparently and unambiguously before a contract can be said to have been accepted.

This is particularly important in the context of parking charges, which carry an element of penalty. In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court highlighted the importance of prominent and transparent signage in forming enforceable parking contracts.

In this case, the signage fails to:

• Define a key term (“match day”),
• Indicate when that term applies,
• Offer any clear method for determining whether additional restrictions are active.

Consequently, any term reliant on this ambiguity fails the test of fairness and transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

4. The operator has not provided evidence of landowner authority or signage validity

Parking Eye is put to strict proof that it has a valid and current contract with the landowner. POPLA is respectfully reminded that the burden of proof lies with the operator. It is not sufficient for the operator merely to assert that it has authority.

Accordingly, I require that POPLA compel the operator to produce:

• A full and unredacted copy of the contemporaneous written agreement with the landowner;
• Evidence that the contract specifically allows Parking Eye to issue Parking Charge Notices in its own name and to take legal action to enforce them;
• Proof that the signage relied upon — particularly any referencing "match day" restrictions — formed part of the landowner’s authorisation;
• Confirmation that there have been no material changes to the signage, site layout, or contractual terms since the date of that agreement, or evidence that any such changes were approved by the landowner.

If the operator fails to provide this evidence, then it has no standing and no legal authority to pursue this charge.

Conclusion

• The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14. As such, Parking Eye has no lawful basis to transfer liability from the hire company to the Hirer.
• The operator has not provided any evidence identifying the driver, and no presumption or inference can be made. The appeal case VCS v Edward (2023, Sheffield County Court) confirms that an operator cannot rely on any assumption, inference, or “balance of probabilities” to assert that the Hirer was the driver in the absence of PoFA compliance.
• The signage is ambiguous, particularly in relation to undefined “match day” or “event day” restrictions. These terms are unclear, not time-specific, and cannot be reasonably understood by a typical motorist without external research, rendering them incapable of forming a fair and transparent contract.
• The operator has failed to provide evidence of landowner authority, and no contract has been shown that demonstrates the signage relied upon forms part of the landowner’s authorisation, nor that any material changes have been approved.

For all of the above reasons, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and instruct Parking Eye to cancel the Parking Charge Notice in full.
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« Reply #54 on: »
Point taken re penalty charge and parking charge.

But as regards the latest draft, why is the PCN still being referred to as a NTH. It doesn't claim to be, in fact 'hirer' isn't mentioned as far as I can see.

The PCN does not conform to the requirements under PoFA to hold either the registered keeper or hirer liable and the driver's details are unknown to the creditor...

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« Reply #55 on: »
It's a technicality that the moronic POPLA assessor will not be able to comprehend. The fact that it doesn't say Notice to Hirer can be treated in exactly the same way that the mention of PoFA has to be on a notice for it to be compliant. The notice has now been issued to the Hirer in their name after the Keeper transferred liability.

Should this ever get to a court hearing (it won't), then you could try and argue the nuances of the wording in more detail. For now, treat it as though you are trying to explain the reason why the Hirer is not liable as though to a 5 year old.
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Here it is amended and an extra point of appeal added:

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POPLA Appeal: Grounds – Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, Ambiguous Signage, and No Evidence of Landowner Authority

I am the Hirer of the vehicle and am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on two principal grounds:

1. The Notice to Hirer (NtH) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14)

To transfer liability from the Keeper (in this case, the Hire company) to the Hirer, PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 Paragraphs 13 and 14 impose a series of strict requirements. These include not only the content of the Notice to Hirer, but also the obligation to enclose three specific documents, as listed in Paragraph 13(2):

13(2): “The documents are— (a) a copy of the statement of liability signed by the hirer under the hire agreement; (b) a copy of the hire agreement; and (c) a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm confirming that the information contained in the statement of liability is correct.

In accordance with Paragraph 14(2)(a), the operator must, within the relevant period, give the Hirer a Notice to Hirer accompanied by:

• The Notice to Keeper;
• A copy of the hire agreement;
• A copy of the statement of liability signed by the Hirer;
• A statement from the hire company confirming the hire details.

ParkingEye has failed to provide the required documents with the NtH. This renders their attempt to transfer liability to the Hirer legally ineffective.

As per Paragraph 14(1), a creditor may only pursue the Hirer if both:

• they are unable to pursue the Keeper under Paragraph 13(2); and
• they have fully met the conditions in Paragraph 14(2), including providing the required documentation.

Failure to include these documents invalidates the NtH for the purposes of PoFA, and therefore the Hirer cannot be held liable.

2. No Evidence of Driver Identity – No Presumption or Inference Permitted

As established above, the Notice to Hirer does not comply with PoFA 2012, and therefore the operator cannot transfer liability to the Hirer. In the absence of compliance with Schedule 4, liability for the charge can only rest with the driver.

Parking Eye has provided no evidence identifying the driver of the vehicle at the material time. The operator has simply issued a Notice to Hirer and proceeded on the basis that the recipient is liable.

There is, however, no legal presumption that the Hirer (or Keeper) was the driver. This has been firmly established in persuasive case law, including the appeal judgment in Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023). In that case, the Circuit Judge held that:

“It is not open to a parking company to rely on a presumption, or even the balance of probabilities, to assert that the keeper was the driver.”

This ruling confirms that liability cannot be inferred or assumed where a parking operator has chosen not to rely on PoFA or has failed to comply with its terms. In such circumstances, the burden of proof remains entirely with the operator to prove the identity of the driver.

As no such evidence has been provided in this case, and the NtH is non-compliant with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to pursue the Hirer. The appeal must be allowed on this ground alone.

3. Signage – Ambiguous and Unenforceable Terms

The signage at the site makes reference to different conditions on a “match day” or “event day,” yet provides no explanation or definition of what qualifies as a “match” or “event,” nor does it indicate how a motorist is supposed to identify such days.

There is no calendar, noticeboard, or real-time information provided on site. The ordinary motorist — the reasonable person — cannot be expected to research third-party sports fixtures or event schedules online to determine whether enhanced restrictions apply.

This renders the term “match day” vague, ambiguous, and incapable of forming a clear and enforceable contract. This is contrary to the requirement that all contractual terms be communicated transparently and unambiguously before a contract can be said to have been accepted.

This is particularly important in the context of parking charges, which carry an element of penalty. In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court highlighted the importance of prominent and transparent signage in forming enforceable parking contracts.

In this case, the signage fails to:

• Define a key term (“match day”),
• Indicate when that term applies,
• Offer any clear method for determining whether additional restrictions are active.

Consequently, any term reliant on this ambiguity fails the test of fairness and transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

4. The operator has not provided evidence of landowner authority or signage validity

Parking Eye is put to strict proof that it has a valid and current contract with the landowner. POPLA is respectfully reminded that the burden of proof lies with the operator. It is not sufficient for the operator merely to assert that it has authority.

Accordingly, I require that POPLA compel the operator to produce:

• A full and unredacted copy of the contemporaneous written agreement with the landowner;
• Evidence that the contract specifically allows Parking Eye to issue Parking Charge Notices in its own name and to take legal action to enforce them;
• Proof that the signage relied upon — particularly any referencing "match day" restrictions — formed part of the landowner’s authorisation;
• Confirmation that there have been no material changes to the signage, site layout, or contractual terms since the date of that agreement, or evidence that any such changes were approved by the landowner.

If the operator fails to provide this evidence, then it has no standing and no legal authority to pursue this charge.

Conclusion

• The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14. As such, Parking Eye has no lawful basis to transfer liability from the hire company to the Hirer.
• The operator has not provided any evidence identifying the driver, and no presumption or inference can be made. The appeal case VCS v Edward (2023, Sheffield County Court) confirms that an operator cannot rely on any assumption, inference, or “balance of probabilities” to assert that the Hirer was the driver in the absence of PoFA compliance.
• The signage is ambiguous, particularly in relation to undefined “match day” or “event day” restrictions. These terms are unclear, not time-specific, and cannot be reasonably understood by a typical motorist without external research, rendering them incapable of forming a fair and transparent contract.
• The operator has failed to provide evidence of landowner authority, and no contract has been shown that demonstrates the signage relied upon forms part of the landowner’s authorisation, nor that any material changes have been approved.

For all of the above reasons, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and instruct Parking Eye to cancel the Parking Charge Notice in full.

Huge thanks for this - have submitted and now we wait.  Fingers crossed.  ???
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Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
« Reply #57 on: »
You are under absolutely no legal obligation to evidence that you were or were not the driver. They already know that you were the Keeper because they obtained your DVLA data from your V5C.

Don't overthink this. Just send what you have been advised to do.
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« Reply #58 on: »
You are under absolutely no legal obligation to evidence that you were or were not the driver. They already know that you were the Keeper because they obtained your DVLA data from your V5C.

Don't overthink this. Just send what you have been advised to do.

Sorry - I edited my response! I had a 3rd party letter proving I'm not the Registered Keeper to hand.  But again, thank you for your guidance, whatever the outcome, I really appreciate the time you've all given for this.

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« Reply #59 on: »
It's not your burden to prove anything.

They may only pursue the:

Driver, or in lieu
The registered keeper, or if the registered keeper relieves themselves of liability,
The hirer.

Their evidence will prove you're not the registered keeper because they MUST produce a Notice to Keeper issued in the first instance to the registered keeper. What you're submitting is really just scene setting(I know this approach doesn't receive universal approval, but we're a broad church) the killer punch comes when you receive and destroy their evidence.

If POPLA operate a guillotine on admissible evidence as has been suggested then this is not natural justice. Compare this with the regulated system of penalty charge notices where the owner simply has to register an appeal with, in this case, the adjudicator and is entitled to make 'further representations' after having seen a council's evidence.

How can you assess and comment upon a creditor's evidence, in effect cross-examine them, when you haven't seen it in the first place. And your type of case highlights this principle because initial correspondence in the enforcement process had nothing to do with you, it was between the RK and creditor and maybe another party, who knows? When you're not the RK you're out of the loop.

NB.
Which is why the, IMO, most crucial document which a creditor has to produce to you and the assessor is NOT the hiring agreement or statement of liability, it's a copy of the original NTK sent to the keeper:

2)The conditions are that—

(a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper;

Without the notice to keeper (not their PCN or NTH to you but the original NTK) in evidence there is no claim against a hirer.

But go with what you've got and we can regroup if they continue and submit an evidence pack.

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