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P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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Hi all,

My permit fell off my dash at some point during my last drive, and I didnt I notice til days after I needed the car again. Went downstairs to the underground car park to find 2 PCNs on my dash. Unfair and ridiculous in my opinion as they know/have my reg plate on the system and the bay is registered to me.

Is there anything I can do easily to get out of this?





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Thanks folks.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2026, 05:21:30 pm by bailfyr »

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Re: P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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Yes.
What does your lease, or equivalent, say about this.
If it doesn’t say you have to display a “permit” then, generally, you don’t.

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Yes.
What does your lease, or equivalent, say about this.
If it doesn’t say you have to display a “permit” then, generally, you don’t.

My tenancy agreement simply says:

"22 Parking
If you rent a specific car parking space or garage as part of this tenancy, you must only park in that space and not
store, keep or park any boat, caravan or commercial vehicle on it or on any shared car park."

Does this mean I can ignore the PCN? Or do I have to appeal specifying the tenancy doesn't require me to?
« Last Edit: January 18, 2026, 06:04:13 pm by bailfyr »

Re: P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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You have to appeal on the basis that your tenancy agreement does not require you to display a permit and you need to require the management company or equivalent to cancel it.

They won’t cancel and they won’t uphold your appeal but you have started the process.

No court would uphold their case, so you have to go through the process.


Re: P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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See also https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/p4parking-penalty-failure-to-display-permit/msg65523/#msg65523

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/p4parking-southern-housing-private-estate-parking-pcns-after-sippi-transition-co/msg93463/#msg93463

Thanks. I will use the template provided in the other thread you linked.

Would it be possible to use the other appeals I have used before based on the basis that I am the registered keeper and cannot be held liable?

Re: P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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Can anyone give any insight to above query from me pls?

Re: P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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If you show us a draft of an appeal like that (written as the keeper, not the driver) we can advise. Something along those lines would be a good starting point.

Re: P4 Parking PCN for not displaying permit
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If you show us a draft of an appeal like that (written as the keeper, not the driver) we can advise. Something along those lines would be a good starting point.

Hi there -

Below is my draft attempt at appeaking the PCN at the current stage (no NtK). I note that one of the PCNs also note that I was parked for 1 minute which is not a reasonable observation period. As you can probably tell, the use of AI was used to draft the letter. What are your thoughts?


To the Appeals Department,

I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle in question and the lawful resident of the property where these Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) were issued. I am challenging these charges on the following grounds:

1. Primacy of Contract (The Lease) My right to park in this car park is granted by my tenancy agreement (lease). My lease allows for parking and contains no requirement to display a permit, nor does it agree to pay penalties to a third party such as P4 Parking.

Under the legal principle of Primacy of Contract, the terms of my lease take precedence over any signage you have placed on the land. You cannot unilaterally alter the terms of my tenancy agreement by putting up signs. As a third-party agent, your contract is with the landowner, not with the residents who have a pre-existing right to occupy the land.

I refer you to the binding judgment in Jopson v Homeguard Services [2016] B9GF0A9E, where the Senior Circuit Judge established that a parking management company cannot override a tenant’s right to park by requiring a permit that is not mentioned in the lease. The judge ruled that the parking company’s signs were an offer to "visitors" or those without a pre-existing right to be there, but were incapable of forming a contract with a resident who already has a superior right to park.

2. No Loss Suffered / No Trespass Since I have a right to park via my lease, I am not trespassing. Furthermore, as the parking is for residents, the landowner has suffered no financial loss due to my vehicle being parked there.

3. Insufficient Observation Period. Regarding the PCN issued on 15/01/2026, your own evidence states the vehicle was observed from 18:04 to 18:05. This is an observation period of one minute. This is a violation of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice (Section 13), which mandates a reasonable grace period and observation time to allow a driver to read signs or obtain a permit. One minute is manifestly unreasonable and proves no proper parking management was taking place, only predatory ticketing.

Conclusion As the lawful occupier with a primacy of contract that does not require a permit, I am not bound by your signage.

I require you to cancel these PCNs immediately and remove my personal data from your records. If you choose to reject this appeal, I require a POPLA verification code. Be advised that at POPLA, I will rigorously assert the Primacy of Contract argument, provide my lease as evidence, and claim my full costs for the time spent dealing with this unlawful harassment.