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Hi folks,

Just got this PCN. Are Euro one of the ones to ignore? See image.

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Re: Euro Car Park fine
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How long have you been on this forum? I will fine you £20 each time you refer to a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) as a "fine'! As part of the deal, I will give you £100 for each occurrence of the word "fine" you can find on the Notice to Keeper (NtK).

This will go through the motions of appeal, rejection, POPLA appeal, rejection, debt recovery letters, Letter of Claim (LoC), claim, defence, DQ, mediation call, allocation, directions and eventual discontinuance. Just follow the advice and don't deviate from it or try to overthink it.

Step 1, initial appeal with the following, only as the Keeper:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

When that is rejected, you can submit what you like to POPLA but they will reject your appeal. Don't worry though. It is going to cost ECP about £5 to have the appeal assessed. It is just not worth putting too much effort into a POPLA appeal for this case. Let ti go through the process and in about 9 months to a year, it will all be over when they discontinue.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro Car Park fine
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Hiram - Quality of Input = Quality of Output.

When making posts, please read the READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to.

Members are likely to be a lot more inclined to offer you free advice if you make the effort to provide us with something useful to go on, rather than just posting half of a notice to keeper and saying "Just got this PCN. Are Euro one of the ones to ignore? See image."
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Re: Euro Car Park fine
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@b789 thanks as always. I will not use that word again!

@DWMB2 apologies! That's the only page I received from them I'm afraid but I will add more details in the future

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That's the only page I received from them I'm afraid
That would be incredibly unusual, there is usually something printed on the back.

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Evening @b789,

As you predicted the appeal was rejected. Should I even bother with a POPLA appeal or just wait until an LoC comes through eventually?

Thanks as always.

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You may as well appeal to POPLA but it is highly unlikely they will accept anything unless you can convince them that the signs do not conform to the requirements of the BPA Code of Practice. There have been several successful POPLA appeals over ECPs signs over the years.

Their Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA, namely paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) as there is no invitation for the Keeper to pay the charge. Their NtK only warns the Keeper that the driver is liable and they should give them the drivers details and pass the NtK to the driver or if they were the driver, they can pay it. As there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver, there is no actual invitation for the Keeper to pay the notice, irrespective of whether they were the driver or not.

All they had to do was have a sentence such as: "You are now invited to either pay the charge or pass the notice to the driver and give us their details". They haven't and therefore they are not in full compliance with all the requirements of paragraph 9(2) of PoFA. Paragraph 9(2) is not a set of optional requirements that need to be fulfilled. All those requirements MUST be fulfilled. It is a a binary issue.

Also, you must put them to strict proof of a valid contract flowing from the landowner that authorises them to issue PCNs in their own name at the location.

Have a search for any recent POPLA appeals and up something together yourself and show us before you send anything. You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection to submit your POPLA appeal, so no rush.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain