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That's good news. You are back to where you were just after submitting your defence. You are now waiting for the copy of the claimants N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ).

When you complete that form, you will put your local county court as the location. Any hearing (doubtful it will ever get that far) is always at the defendants local county court.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

You're a rare voice of reason in this crazy world - like a McKenzie Friend fighting inappropriate PCNs - thank you.

I had a quick look at the N180 form. There are a lot of boxes that I'm not sure what to put in them - wondering when it arrives do you have a suggested way to complete?

On an unrelated money dispute issue I have been sent an N181 to complete - do you provide support on other groups or is there a way I could contact you directly - I need to find help filling out forms so my defence gets through to a hearing.

Sorry. I only specialise in parking related matters, However, here is the advice for your N180:

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
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• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain


Dear Hero Member

Fortunately I received a text reminder from GovUK to say I had a mandatory mediation appointment tomorrow. When the email from HM Courts & Tribunal service was sent I was away. I do not recall reading the advisory email but here I am 4 weeks on and find it in my mailbox.

The mediator has my phone number as I provided my contact details on the N180 Directions questionnaire. The Mediation Confirmation email says it will be a telephone mediation session between 13.30 to 16.30 lasting about one hour. The mediator will try to help you both come to an agreement before the case goes to court.

Do you have any suggestions to prepare for the mediation appointment regarding this PCN I received from Excel Parking?

Apologies for seeking assistance so close to mediation.

Thanks again in advance.

Regards

The mediator is not a legal professional, you offer £0 and that’s that. Do not get drawn into any discussion of your defence, and if the mediator tries then make a formal complaint afterwards. The mediator will pass on your offer, tell you it’s been declined, end of session. Box ticking exercise so that someone can say they tried.
I can’t see it lasting very long, presumably the 3 hours is just a window because they don’t work to schedules that the normal world does.
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Thank you again.

Hi Hero Member

I received a notice (dated 10 days ago) advising me my PCN case has now been transferred to my local county court where it will be allocated.

On the radio I heard the government is running a consultation into private parking and are looking for citizen participation - are you aware and are comments collectively been made by FTLA or would it be better individuals like myself make comment:

https://consult.communities.gov.uk/off-road-parking-team/private-parking-code-of-practice-consultation/

Thanks


If you have feelings on the matter, you should respond in your capacity as a motorist

The link is in my signature. If you feel you can contribute to the consultation, then you should definitely engage.

For anyone wanting to see the kind of response that I have submitted, feel free to extract whatever you like for it here:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7culsz4smpjqijf6lr2y4/MHCLG-Consultation-response.pdf?rlkey=ppthsdnot74sd9z90ivt4bnx9&st=q4g12751&dl=0
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Dear Hero Member

I received the attached Order which struck out the claim ... providing Excel don't apply to set aside, vary or discharge within 7 days I understand noting is now owed.

Thank you for all your help.

Regards
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Excellent. A judge with a clear understanding of the rubbish PoC that are clogging up the system.

This has taken almost 9 months from the date the LoC was issued. The CNBC managed to derail it all when they allowed the claimant to request a judgment in default and then had to scurry and get that CCJ set aside using their administrative powers, only after you had to complain to them about it.

Finally, the claim was defended using the short defence and the court has seen fit to strike out the claim for the defective PoC, which should really be the case for any claim issued by the incompetents at DCB Legal.

I repeat the courts 'upon' order here for the delectation of others:

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ORDER OF THE COURT'S OWN MOTION

UPON REVIEWING THE COURT FILE

UPON The Court noting that CPR 16.4 imposes a mandatory requirement that a Particulars of Claim must include a concise statement of the facts on which the Claimant relies

UPON the Court being of the view that the Particulars of Claim in this case are defective under CPR 16.4 because they

1. Describe the alleged breach as "Failure to purchase the parking tariff for the registration mark of the vehicle on site and/or within the time allowed," which means that the Defendant does not know whether the case they have to meet is (a) they didn't pay for parking at all; or (b) they paid for only part of, but not all, the time they were on site (in which case entry and departure times ought to be specified if available through ANPR records); or (c) they made a payment but did not enter the correct registration; or (d) they paid for parking but did not make payment within the time limit required ( in which case the question arises as to how late they were in paying and what loss if any was sustained)

UPON the Court being mindful of the need to conduct bulk litigation at proportionate cost, but being of the view that this does not override the need for a Defendant to know from the outset the factual case they have to answer.

UPON the Court being satisfied it is proportionate to make the Order set out below

ORDER

1. Pursuant to CPR 3.4 the Claim is struck out
2. As this Order was made without a hearing any party may apply to set aside vary or discharge it within 7 days of being served with it

Not withstanding the above, they would have discontinued anyway, as is their M.O. However, it is always much more satisfying when their claim is struck out instead.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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