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Hello guys.

I recently received a PCN (Parking Charge Notice) for an alleged parking contravention. As the registered keeper, I’m seeking advice on how best to proceed. Here are the details of the situation:

The vehicle was allegedly parked at Oakwood Park Estate on 2/12/2024.
The PCN states "Failure to clearly display a valid permit".
I have attached redacted copies of the PCN for your review.

What steps should I take to challenge this, and is there anything specific I need to include or avoid in my correspondence with the parking company?

Thanks for your guidance.

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« Last Edit: December 03, 2024, 02:39:52 pm by billybob47 »
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Make a note in your diary to appeal this on Sunday 29th November using their online appeals option. Appeal only as the Registered Keeper. Do not identify the driver as there is no legal obligation to do so.

Use the following wording in your appeal, making sure not to select any option other that Keeper only or 'other':

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Driver (NtD) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. MET has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtD can only hold the driver liable. MET have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Then you wait to see what response they give. Keep us informed and show us any response. That Notice to Driver (NtD) does not state the relevant land in sufficient detail. I certainly couldn't find the location based on the detail there.

What were the circumstances of the alleged breach? Is this a residential car park?
« Last Edit: December 03, 2024, 06:18:18 pm by b789 »
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Make a note in your diary to appeal this on Sunday 29th November using their online appeals option. Appeal only as the Registered Keeper. Do not identify the driver as there is no legal obligation to do so.

Use the following wording in your appeal, making sure not to select any option other that Keeper only or 'other':

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Driver (NtD) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. MET has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtD can only hold the driver liable. MET have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Then you wait to see what response they give. Keep us informed and show us any response. That Notice to Driver (NtD) does not state the relevant land in sufficient detail. I certainly couldn't find the location based on the detail there.

What were the circumstances of the alleged breach? Is this a residential car park?

I'm assuming you mean December 29? as Nov 29 has passed 😁
If I wait till Dec 29, the option to pay the reduced fine goes away.
It a residential car park, with some visible signs; NW4 4XJ.
However, with the name given on the PCN, it was not clear exactly where they were referring to (nowhere is it referred to as the location named on the PCN unless you google it)
« Last Edit: December 03, 2024, 09:18:18 pm by billybob47 »
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Sorry, I meant 29th December. If you want to contest this, then you must ignore the "mugs discount" that they offer. It is simply a bribe to make their lives easier and to rake in the money.
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Fair enough, I've added this to my calendar to notify me.

In terms of MET, is this as easy as sending that off and then they cancel it (much like the APCOA Heathrow charge that you helped with earlier this year, thank you 😊) or would this likely turn into a bout of letters that they'll send?
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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MET are more stubborn than APCOA usually, so it might be more effort than challenging them.

Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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MET are most likely going to reject any appeal. It will be at POPLA that this PCN is more likely to be cancelled.
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Alrighty. Date set, now we wait :)
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I made a small oopsie and sent the representations on the 30th instead of the 29th (received an email of acceptance after I sent them), how screwed am I?
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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I made a small oopsie and sent the representations on the 30th instead of the 29th (received an email of acceptance after I sent them), how screwed am I?

I don’t know if they’ll accept it or not. I haven’t gone back through the thread to see if the date I gave you was the actual deadline or a day early. Either way, it really doesn’t matter in the overall scheme of things.

If it is in time, the appeal will be rejected anyway. It just makes a difference as to whether they are obliged to give you a POPLA code or not. A POPLA appeal is not likely to win either.

Where this is most likely to be decided is if/when they issue a claim. The most likely outcome would be a discontinuation some time later next year when they discontinue.
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Hope you guys had a great Christmas and Happy New Year :)

It's been a while and I've so far had nothing back from MET. I got an email of acceptance when I sent my appeal off, saying that they would get back to me within 28 days. 28 days would've been the 25th of January. It's now the 2nd of February and still nothing.
While I did send my representations a day later, I'm almost certain that if they wouldn't accept it they would state such.

Not too keen on getting a CCJ of any sort, is there much I can do apart from just waiting?
Wish this was like Haringey where you can see a timeline of what's going on with the PCN online.
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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No chance of a CCJ.

Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.

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A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.

• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.

•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).

• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.

• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).

• This is a warning that they may start a court case.

• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.

• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.

• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).

No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.

• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.

No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.

• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.

• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.

• The person loses or ignores the case.

• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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No chance of a CCJ.

Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.


Yeah, as I understand it's through repeated ignorance of communications. I'm not worried about getting one, I know you guys are great at what you do, it was moreso an oddly worded way of hoping this gets resolved before the POPLA stage lol.

Either way, it's the 23rd of Feb now, and nothing back from MET as of yet.

Emailed them on the 14th, as they say if you don't hear back from your appeal in 28 days, that you should email them to find out what has happened.

Really wish the law was clean and simple for cases like this - a company not responding timely should auto-cancel tickets like this, or be an auto win at a formal appeal. Imagine having to pay for a ticket you received months ago only because the of the companies incompetence.

It's getting to the point where I'm forgetting it exists.
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Re: Failure to clearly display a valid permit - Met Parking Services
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Alas, after 3 months, I have received a NTK.

Date of issue was 6th March, however I only got it on the 15th March.

Usually I would blame the company for this (APCOA is a offender of this one in my experience - by the time I receive the notice, 12 out of the 14 days have already passed) but I think there was an issue with my local DO as I got like 7 letters all dated similarly in one day.


Attached is the NTK - what's my next move?


Apologies if the quality is a bit bad - the file size was too large.




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Apologies if the quality is a bit bad - the file size was too large.


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