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HI,
i had a pcn from MET parking at southgate park, stanstead airport.  Followed the usual advice, did not disclose driver details and submitted an appeal to popla.  this is METs response, and looking for advice on an appropriate response.  many thanks

In the appeal to POPLA Mr Knowles raises the following grounds for appeal:

• No keeper liability As we have not been provided with the name and address of the driver of the vehicle, we are pursuing the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Please see our compliant Notice to Keeper in Section B of our evidence pack. Please also see a full explanation of why we may pursue the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012 in Section C of our evidence pack. As stated in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Relevant Land is any land that is not a) a highway maintainable at the public expense, b) a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority, or c) any land excepting the aforementioned on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control. Paragraph 3 subsection 3 states that parking is subject to statutory control if any statutory provision imposes a liability in respect of the parking of vehicles on that land. The Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a penalty for vehicles parking within Southgate Park. We have included in section E of this evidence pack excerpts from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and also the Airport byelaws. The full airport byelaws may be viewed online at: https://assets.live.dxp.maginfrastructure.com/f/73114/x/46195467c9/stansted-byelaws.pdf In light of this, the site is not excluded by the definitions laid out in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such is considered Relevant Land. For the sake of clarity: Southgate Park is a pay-by-phone car park, by definition a place in which to park vehicles. The Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a liability in respect of parking vehicles within the Southgate Park car park. In light of this we believe the site is not excluded by the definitions laid out in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such is considered Relevant Land.

• Breach of KADOE As stated above, we have complied with all aspects of PoFA 2012 and therefore there has been no such breach. We believe we may continue to process Mr Knowles’ data under the following legal bases:  Contract – The processing is necessary for the parking contract that has been entered into when vehicles enter and remain in the location.  Legitimate Interests – Processing is required to protect and enable pursuit of legitimate interests in ensuring the car park is effectively managed, pursuing unpaid parking tariffs and charges due and promoting the safety and security of the location.

• Unclear signage We are confident that there are sufficient signs in place in this car park and that the signs are prominently displayed and clearly state the terms and conditions. In Section E of our evidence pack we have included images of the signs in place and a site plan of the location. We are confident that our signage complies with all relevant legislation and regulations. A motorist does not have to have read the terms and conditions of parking to enter into a parking contract, there is only the requirement that the parking operator affords them the opportunity to do so. As stated, we are confident that there is sufficient signage at the site in order to afford motorists the chance to read the terms and conditions that are in place. Upon entry to the site, it is the motorist’s obligation to seek out any terms and conditions that may be in place before choosing to park or remain on site.

• No evidence of landowner authority We have included a copy of our contract with the landowner in Section E of our evidence pack. We have redacted commercially sensitive details and highlighted relevant clauses for ease of reading. Our contract with the landowner grants us authority to form contracts with motorists and issue parking charge notices for contractual breach. We refer you to the Supreme Court ruling on ParkingEye v Beavis for the judges’ determination on whether a parking operator is acting as an agent or principal. The ruling may be found at https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2013-0280-judgment.pdf.darl

Turning to the charge itself: In this instance, the driver had not registered the vehicle for the free parking period. As advised on the signs, only customers are entitled to the free parking period, and they must register their vehicle on arrival. The driver did not make payment for their stay as an alternative and as such the parking charge was issued. In line with F.3(g) of the Appeals Charter, we requested evidence of custom during the initial appeal process (as only customers are entitled to park for free). We did not receive this and as such the appellant was not entitled to the further discount when the appeal was rejected.

PLEASE NOTE: regarding the further reduction of a charge under Annex F, the Sector Single Code of Practice specifically states that ‘in all cases the Appeals Charter would require the motorist to provide the evidence.’. As such, without the appellant providing supporting evidence then there is no requirement for an operator to allow a further reduction. The terms and conditions of parking are clearly stated on the signs that are prominently displayed at the entrance to and around the car park. These include that the car park is for the use of Southgate Park customers only and that to receive the 60-minute maximum free stay for customers, drivers must enter their vehicle registration on arrival. Visitors may extend their stay up to 3 hours by using the pay by phone service. As the evidence we have provided in Section E of our evidence pack demonstrates, the vehicle remained in the car park without being registered for the free parking period and no payment was made as an alternative. It remains the driver’s responsibility to check the signs where they park and comply with the stated terms and conditions. Therefore, we believe that the charge notice was issued correctly, and the appeal should be refused.
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Re: met parking at starbucks southgate park appeal response
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Just goes to show you how idiotic and moronic POPLA assessors can be. I have had many successful POPLA appeals for this location because it's not relevant land and is under statutory control of airport byelaws.

I don't know where you got the advice for your POPLA appeal but did you include the official map that shows the airport boundary and the location of Southgate Park within the airport boundary?



Anyway, a POPLA decision is not binding on you and has no effect on anything going forwards. Just ignore all the debt recovery letters you are going to receive. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) and we will assist in dealing with this scam.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: met parking at starbucks southgate park appeal response
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A POPLA decision hasn't been received, that's MET's response to his appeal, not POPLA's assessment.

Re: met parking at starbucks southgate park appeal response
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Doh! My bad. I can't be bothered to read the usual wall of text. Can the  OP please break it up into coherent sentences and paragraphs so that someone can decipher it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Doh! My bad. I can't be bothered to read the usual wall of text. Can the  OP please break it up into coherent sentences and paragraphs so that someone can decipher it.
Agreed, I couldn’t read it either ….

Re: met parking at starbucks southgate park appeal response
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I just fed it into an AI app and got that to decipher it for me.

Simply copy and paste the following into the POPLA webform for the response:

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The operator’s claim that PoFA applies because “THE BYELAWS DON’T IMPOSE A PENALTY” would be comical if it weren’t being paraded around in what passes for evidence. To be absolutely be clear, Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Paragraph 3(3), states that land is not “RELEVANT” if any statutory provision imposes liability in relation to parking. Not “ONLY IF IT RESULTS IN A FINE”. Not “only if someone gets clamped”. Any STATUTORY CONTROL. That’s it. That’s the standard.

The operator even admits that Southgate Park sits within Stansted Airport’s boundary and is therefore subject to Stansted Airport byelaws—a statutory instrument created under the Airports Act. That makes the land “SUBJECT TO STATUTORY CONTROL”, no ifs, buts or words that evidence the intellectual malnourishment of their author. PoFA simply does NOT apply. No amount of rhetorical gymnastics from the operator changes that reality.

The operator’s attempt to rewrite PoFA so they can pretend keeper liability magically exists is farcical. It’s the kind of argument that wouldn’t make it past the first five minutes in an actual court—but here we are, playing pantomime in front of a body that doesn’t even require legal qualifications from its' assessors.

There is NO KEEPER LIABILITY. End of. If the operator can’t identify the driver, they’re out of luck. Perhaps next time they should try reading the legislation before quoting it.
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Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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OP, where is the operator's statement as to their 'Relationship with the Landowner', para. 14.1.c refers? https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPractice.pdf

As regards your response..I suggest perhaps..

The operator acknowledges that the area managed by them on which the alleged breach of a relevant obligation occurred falls within the boundary of Stansted Airport. However, they assert that 'The Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a penalty for vehicles parking within Southgate Park'.

Clearly this cannot withstand scrutiny because the scope of byelaw 2(Penalties) covers every byelaw and byelaw 6(3) states the following:

6(3) No person shall ...park any 'Vehicle' ..elsewhere than in a place provided by the 'Airport company' ..for the parking of such vehicle.


Therefore, instead of sending the assessor off to discover the substance of their assertions by posting hyperlinks(as opposed to quoting and referencing in detail as I have done here) all the operator needs to do to prove their claim is to produce evidence that the land is a place 'provided by the Airport company' for the parking of vehicles. Given that s14.1.c of the Code of Practice requires the operator to have in writing confirmation as to 'such byelaws which apply to the land' then the assessor need look no further than this.

I was unable to find such confirmation in the operator's evidence.

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2025, 05:37:02 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: met parking at starbucks southgate park appeal response
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i did provide that map of stanstead, although MET have admitted in their evidence the car park is within the boundry. I drafted something up based on what i found on this site as i had to respond to the appeal to be within the 7 days. 

i find it incredulous the POPLA waste their time dealing with these cases against MET and southgate park, as surely the outcome is always the same.  why doesn't something change to stop wasting everyones time