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Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« on: December 20, 2024, 03:01:30 pm »
Hello,

I tried using the same but unfortunately the appeal was rejected :( 

Copy pasted from email:

Dear Appellant,

Parking Charge

Thank you for your recent correspondence concerning the above referenced Parking Charge.

Review of your Appeal

The Parking Charge was issued lawfully and in full and proper accordance with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice issued by the British Parking Association (the ‘BPA’).

There are signs located at the entrance to, and within the car park that state the terms and conditions that apply when parking.

One of the terms and conditions is that vehicles must not exceed the maximum stay period allowed. As this vehicle was found to be parked longer than the maximum period allowed, a Parking Charge was correctly issued.

The signs throughout the car park are clear and comply fully with the BPA’s prescribed rules and regulations.  When parking on private land, it is the driver’s responsibility to ensure they adhere to the terms and conditions of the car park concerned.

As we have not been provided with the name and a serviceable address for the driver/hirer, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we do have the right, subject to meeting the requirements of the Act, to recover from the Registered Keeper the amount that remains outstanding. We have obtained the name and address of the registered keeper of the vehicle from the DVLA for the purposes of enforcing this charge.

Given the above, and whilst we have considered your representations carefully, on this occasion your appeal has been rejected.

Additional Types of Appeal
You have now reached the end of our appeals procedure.  Although we have rejected your appeal, the Parking On Private Land Appeals (POPLA) provides an independent appeals service. To use this service, you must appeal to POPLA within 28 days of the date of this correspondence.

For full instructions of how to appeal to POPLA, please visit their website at www.popla.co.uk. If you would rather progress this matter by post, please contact our Appeals Office and we will send you the necessary paperwork.

Your POPLA reference number is XXXXXXXXX

Please be advised that if you elect  for independent arbitration of your case, you will be required  to pay the charge at the full amount and as such will no longer qualify for payment at the reduced rate. Please also be advised that POPLA will not accept an appeal where payment is made against the Parking Charge in question.

We are required by law  to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org/) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal;  however ,  Horizon has not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service.  As such, should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA as explained above.

Yours sincerely


With a bit of luck, your sister hasn’t appealed to Horizon yet. If she’d sent what she’d sent to YPS, she’d have blown the easiest way to get this cancelled.

Tell your sister to never, ever, ever, ever, ever, identify the driver unless advised to do so. By blabbing the identity of the driver, inadvertently or otherwise, is to throw away the most likely best reason to get a PCNcp cancelled.

No one is suggesting lying. It is a simple fact that the keeper of the vehicle is the person who has received the Notice to Keeper(NtK). The driver is unknown to the operator. Only the driver is liable, unless the NtK is fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA. The Horizon NtK does not invoke PoFA and so the keeper cannot be liable unless they were also the driver and blab that bit of info.

There is no legal obligation for the keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company and the keeper should decline to do so. Tell your sister to appeal with the following, verbatim:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2024, 03:06:13 pm »
Welcome to FTLA.

I have split this into its own topic in line with rule #2 of our House Rules.

To help us provide the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide.
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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2024, 03:30:20 pm »
Could you please suggest next steps for an appeal?

As background information, I got an unexpected fine in the post from Horizon as the registered keeper, for exceeding the maximum stay at Tesco car park.  I had appealed with the suggestion from a hero member b789 on FTLA, verbatim.

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2024, 03:47:39 pm »
If you follow the instructions above, then we will be able to advise you.
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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2024, 05:27:08 pm »
Images of PCN and Parking Appeal Decision (1 of 4)

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2024, 07:33:33 pm »
Horizon being the eejits they usually are...

You now appeal to POPLA with the following fatal points to their Notice to Keeper (NtK) that I pointed out in a similar thread earlier today:

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There are several failures in the Notice to Keeper (NtK) that you can rely on. Horizon have failed to stipulate the appeal deadline in breach of section 8.1.2(e) of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). Also, they have failed to correctly comply with PoFA 9(2)(f) deadlines for Keeper liability.

Here is the suggested appeal to Horizon POPLA:

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Dear Horizon Parking Appeals Team POPLA,

I am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice issued on 11th December 2024 as the registered keeper of the vehicle [Your VRM].

Your The Notice to Keeper (NtK) claims to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), yet it fails to meet the requirements of either. The fact that you the operator proclaims compliance while failing to meet basic legal and regulatory standards is not only baffling but indicates a lack of professionalism within your their organisation.

Allow me to explain why your the NtK fails on multiple counts:

1. PoFA Non-Compliance

Your The NtK misrepresents the timeframe for transferring liability under Paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of PoFA.

PoFA specifies that the keeper can only be held liable "...at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given."

Here are the relevant dates:

Alleged Contravention Date: 1st December 2024

PCN Issue Date: 5th December 2024

Notice Given Date: 9th December 2024 (two working days after issue date)

PoFA-Compliant Start Date: 10th December 2024

Correct Deadline: 6th January 2025

Your NtK instead starts the liability period from 7th December 2024, resulting in an incorrect deadline of 3rd January 2025, which is three days early. This fundamental error makes your NtK non-compliant with PoFA.

2. Breach of the PPSCoP – Section 8.1.2(e)

Your NtK also fails to comply with Section 8.1.2(e) of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (2024), which states:

"The parking operator must ensure that a notice informs the recipient that they have 28 days from the date of receiving the parking charge to submit an appeal."

On the back of your NtK, under the "Contesting the Parking Charge" section, you focus on appeals made within 14 days to preserve the discounted rate. However, the NtK does not explicitly state the overall appeal deadline of 28 days from receiving the notice, as required by the PPSCoP.

This omission creates ambiguity and could mislead recipients into believing they cannot appeal after the 14-day discount period, even though they still have the legal right to appeal for 28 days. Such a failure is contrary to the PPSCoP's goal of promoting fairness and transparency in private parking enforcement.

By failing to clearly communicate the full 28-day appeal deadline, you breach Section 8.1.2(e), and this failure undermines the enforceability of your notice.

3. Keeper Liability is Inapplicable

As the registered keeper, I have no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. Your The NtK can only hold the driver liable unless strict compliance with PoFA and the PPSCoP is achieved, which it is not. This NtK is unenforceable as far as keeper liability is concerned.

4. Please Consult a Competent Adult

If you cannot understand why your NtK fails to comply with PoFA or the PPSCoP, I suggest passing this appeal to a competent adult at Horizon who has the necessary understanding of these requirements. Assuming such a person exists, they might be able to avoid wasting further time by cancelling this Parking Charge now.


5. Horizon Has No Hope at POPLA

Your failures to comply with PoFA and the PPSCoP ensure that this charge would fail at POPLA. I urge you to save us both the time and effort by cancelling this Parking Charge immediately.

If you choose to continue pursuing this baseless charge, I require a full response addressing all the points raised above, along with a POPLA code so that I may escalate my appeal.


Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]

Registered Keeper of [vehicle VRM]

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2024, 08:34:16 pm »
Many thanks for your help. I'll go ahead and appeal to POPLA, stating the points above.

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2024, 10:32:23 am »
I need help with the POPLA appeal form. Trying not to make a silly mistake. There are 5 steps in the form. A couple of questions:

Step 1. Grounds for appeal. Should the grounds for appeal be:
1. I was not the driver or the registered keeper of the vehicle at the time of the alleged improper parking? Or,
2. Other?
I was not the driver of the vehicle.

Step 4, Additional Evidence. "I was not the driver or the registered keeper of the vehicle at the time of the alleged improper parking.
Can you upload additional evidence to support your position?"
What should I do here? Details of driver or other?

Many thanks
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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2024, 10:55:10 am »
Choose "other" for the reason. Your appeal is put into a PDF that you upload to the portal. If you have to put something in the appeal box you can put "See attached document for grounds of appeal" or words to that effect.
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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2024, 11:08:58 am »
Many thanks. Appeal submitted.

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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2025, 08:14:03 pm »
I got an email from POPLA:

Your parking charge appeal against Horizon Parking Ltd - EW.

Horizon Parking Ltd - EW has now uploaded its evidence to your appeal. This will be available for you to view by clicking here

Please note: some evidence may not show immediately, if it is not currently available on your account please check back later before contacting us.

You have seven days from the date of this correspondence to provide comments on the evidence uploaded by Horizon Parking Ltd - EW.

Please note that these comments must relate to the grounds of appeal you submitted when first lodging your appeal with POPLA, we do not accept new grounds of appeal or evidence at this stage

Any comments received after the period of seven days has ended will not be considered and we will progress your appeal for assessment. Therefore, if you have any issues with the evidence uploaded by Horizon Parking Ltd - EW such as being unable to view it online, please contact POPLA immediately via phone - 0330 1596 126, or email - info@popla.co.uk, so that we can look to rectify this as soon as possible.

After this period has ended, we will aim to issue our decision as quickly as possible. The decision we reach is final and binding. When the decision is reached there is no further option for appeal.

Yours sincerely

POPLA Team

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2025, 08:20:47 pm »
And what does said evidence contain?
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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2025, 08:22:34 pm »
The document uploaded at POPLA has details of (1) our initial appeal to Horizon, (2) Horizon's response to the appeal but does not show the 3 points copy pasted in the appeal to POPLA from b789 (Reply #5 on: December 2).

I have a few days to respond. Should I copy paste these 3 points again? This was the content of the appeal:

Dear POPLA,

I am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice issued on 11th December 2024 as the registered keeper of the vehicle (reg no).

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) claims to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), yet it fails to meet the requirements of either. The fact that the operator proclaims compliance while failing to meet basic legal and regulatory standards is not only baffling but indicates a lack of professionalism within their organisation.

Allow me to explain why the NtK fails on multiple counts:

1. PoFA Non-Compliance

The NtK misrepresents the timeframe for transferring liability under Paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of PoFA.

PoFA specifies that the keeper can only be held liable "...at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given."

Here are the relevant dates:

• Alleged Contravention Date: 1st December 2024

• PCN Issue Date: 5th December 2024

• Notice Given Date: 9th December 2024 (two working days after issue date)

• PoFA-Compliant Start Date: 10th December 2024

• Correct Deadline: 6th January 2025

The NtK instead starts the liability period from 7th December 2024, resulting in an incorrect deadline of 3rd January 2025, which is three days early. This fundamental error makes the NtK non-compliant with PoFA.

2. Breach of the PPSCoP – Section 8.1.2(e)

The NtK also fails to comply with Section 8.1.2(e) of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (2024), which states:

"The parking operator must ensure that a notice informs the recipient that they have 28 days from the date of receiving the parking charge to submit an appeal."

On the back of the NtK, under the "Contesting the Parking Charge" section, focus is on appeals made within 14 days to preserve the discounted rate. However, the NtK does not explicitly state the overall appeal deadline of 28 days from receiving the notice, as required by the PPSCoP.

This omission creates ambiguity and could mislead recipients into believing they cannot appeal after the 14-day discount period, even though they still have the legal right to appeal for 28 days. Such a failure is contrary to the PPSCoP's goal of promoting fairness and transparency in private parking enforcement.

By failing to clearly communicate the full 28-day appeal deadline, there’s a breach of Section 8.1.2(e), and this failure undermines the enforceability of the notice.

3. Keeper Liability is Inapplicable

As the registered keeper, I have no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. The NtK can only hold the driver liable unless strict compliance with PoFA and the PPSCoP is achieved, which it is not. This NtK is unenforceable as far as keeper liability is concerned.

Yours sincerely,

(name)

Registered Keeper of (vehicle reg no)

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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2025, 08:32:49 pm »
And what does said evidence contain?
Copy pasted from the POPLA doc:

Horizon response to appeal and appellants contention

Parking Charge: HP1234567

Thank you for your recent correspondence concerning the above referenced Parking
Charge.

Review of your Appeal
The Parking Charge was issued lawfully and in full and proper accordance with the
Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice issued by the British Parking
Association (the ‘BPA’).

There are signs located at the entrance to, and within the car park that state the
terms and conditions that apply when parking.

One of the terms and conditions is that vehicles must not exceed the maximum stay
period allowed. As this vehicle was found to be parked longer than the maximum
period allowed, a Parking Charge was correctly issued.

The signs throughout the car park are clear and comply fully with the BPA’s
prescribed rules and regulations. When parking on private land, it is the driver’s
responsibility to ensure they adhere to the terms and conditions of the car park
concerned.

As we have not been provided with the name and a serviceable address for the
driver/hirer, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we do have
the right, subject to meeting the requirements of the Act, to recover from the
Registered Keeper the amount that remains outstanding. We have obtained the
name and address of the registered keeper of the vehicle from the DVLA for the
purposes of enforcing this charge.

Given the above, and whilst we have considered your representations carefully, on
this occasion your appeal has been rejected.

Evidence Provided by Appellant
No evidence provided.


Evidence to Support our claim
Below is an image of the signage on site which states, “A Parking Charge of £70.00
may be issued in the following circumstances: Exceeding the maximum stay”.

(I’ll attach the images of signage in the doc shown by Horizon)

Because the vehicle was found to have been in the car park for a total of 26 minutes,
the terms and conditions were breached meaning the Parking Charge was correctly
issued. The vehicle entered the car park at 19.42 and exited at 20.09.

As stated on the signage above, the maximum stay period on a Sunday between 6pm
and 12am is 15 minutes. Given that the vehicle was found in the car park for a total
of 26 minutes, the maximum stay was exceeded. Therefore, the terms and
conditions were breached, and the Parking Charge was correctly issued.

In response to point 1, the Appellant has raised several points within their appeal. In
response to point 1, the Parking Charge is full compliant with the Protection Of
Freedom At 2012 (POFA). The Appellant is the Registered Keeper and they have not
confirmed whether they were the driver or who was the driver. Therefore, because
the charge is fully compliant with POFA, the Registered Keeper is held liable for the
Parking Charge their vehicle has been issued.

In response to point 2 & 3, the Parking Charge has been issued in full compliance
with the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 (POFA) and therefore, in the event the
driver of the vehicle is not identified, the Registered Keeper can be held liable for the
Parking Charge their vehicle has been issued.

It is the driver's responsibility when parking on private land to ensure they familiarize
themselves with the terms and conditions on site via the signage, this ensures they
are aware of the charge should they breach the terms and conditions on site.

By parking the vehicle on the site, the Appellant entered a valid contract and agreed
to abide by its terms and conditions. The signage displayed throughout the site
advises the terms and conditions of use. One of the conditions is that a £70.00
Parking Charge may be issued when the terms and conditions are breached.

Our position remains that this Parking Charge was issued correctly. We maintain the
Appellant entered a valid contract and should pay the valid parking charges as per
the signage on the site.


Section C
Parking Charge and Liability Notes

Section D
Original Representations & Notice of Rejection

Section E
Images and Signage Location Plan. 1 location plan & 6 photos.
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Re: Horizon - Tescos - Split Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2025, 08:35:42 pm »
Horizon evidence, images of parking notice.