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HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
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Hi all.

I’ve had great help for one of my recent horizon pcn which is still in with popla and I’m waiting to hear back.

Here I have had another pcn from horizon Tesco car park for overstaying. This time in a different vehicle other than the one currently submitted to popla (personal vehicle). This pcn is for a business vehicle registered in a business name and business address. Horizon did not address me the driver or owner. I have responded to horizon after some diggin within this website and replied exactly from this thread here:

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/horizon-tescos-exceeded-maximum-stay-period/msg34627/#msg34627

However horizon have wrote back to me rejecting my challenge please see attached pictures of original pcn sent to me and their rejection.

Thank you for taking your in reading this any help appreciated.

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Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
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You will need to clarify what you mean a little here.

You say that the vehicle is registered to a business, so presumably the notice is similarly addressed to the business. However, the thread you have linked to (from which you said you drafted an appeal) is worded for submission by an individual - "I am the keeper" - in whose name did you submit the appeal?

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I did not provide a name. Silly me 🤦🏼‍♂️

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So it's addressed to the business?

We can draft up a POPLA appeal for you - you've some time yet. I'll try to draft something up within the next few days.

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Yes it’s addressed to the business.

Ok thanks.

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You’ve shown us the PCN reminder. That is useless. We need to see the original postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) with all dates and times showing. Also, what exactly did you put in your appeal?
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The reminder is the only letter they sent to me. I rang up horizon about this and they confirmed it’s probably lost in the post and told me not to worry as I can pay it or challenge it with that reminder letter and they noted it on their system.

I challenged it with exactly a copy and paste as below from another thread within this website with the link attached above.

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

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But the reminder letter was addressed to a company. The appeal submitted starts with "I am the keeper...".

So, unless the company is sentient, how can it respond with "I am the keeper..."?

Before you can appeal to POPLA, who is the appeal rejection addressed to? You, an individual or to the company?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Since the original pcn and the reminder was addressed to a business I thought I can reply back from a business owner perspective and responded as I am the keeper. I really could think of any other way to respond.

Rejection was addressed as Dear Appellant. It was served to my email. I’ve attached SS above.

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I'm trying to understand how you appealed. Did you appeal in your name as a representative (director or whatever) of the company or did you simply appeal as "the company" without being named as an individual?

How was that appeal signed off? "Yours faithfully, XYZ company" or "Yours faithfully, John Doe, Director (or whatever), XYZ Company"?
« Last Edit: December 12, 2024, 05:23:21 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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No sign off or anything.

As above I have posted, this is exactly letter for letter what I wrote:


“ I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.”

Hope this clarifies.

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Of course I had to log into the horizon portal with the pcn reference number and car reg. I just hit the challenge button and pasted the above. There was no inputs required anywhere to enter the name or company or any other details.

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OK. So you need to use the following points in your POPLA appeal:

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1. No Notice to Keeper (NtK) Received
2. Evidence of Posting the NtK Required
3. Reservation of Rights to Challenge PoFA Compliance
4. Non-Compliance with BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice
5. Evidence of Landowner Authority Required

1. No Notice to Keeper (NtK) Received

The Company, as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, did not receive the Notice to Keeper (NtK). Upon receiving a reminder letter, the Company contacted the operator to complain that the original NtK had not been received. During this telephone conversation, the operator’s representative admitted that the NtK was “probably lost in the post” and advised that the Company could either pay the charge or appeal using the reminder letter. This statement demonstrates that no NtK was received.

The operator is attempting to rely on the provisions of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) to transfer liability from the driver to the Keeper. For this transfer of liability to be valid, the operator must comply with the strict statutory requirements of PoFA, which include the timely delivery of a compliant NtK to the Keeper. The failure to deliver the NtK undermines the operator's case.

2. Evidence of Posting the NtK Required

Under PoFA, Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), the NtK must be given to the Keeper within 14 days of the alleged parking event. It is the operator’s responsibility to demonstrate compliance with this requirement.

The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof that the original NtK was sent and delivered by requiring them to provide the following evidence:

• A Certificate of Posting, showing the date on which the NtK was sent.

or

• A delivery receipt or equivalent proof of service, confirming when the NtK was delivered to the Keeper.

Assertions alone by the operator that the NtK was sent are insufficient. Without documented evidence of posting or delivery, the operator cannot demonstrate compliance with PoFA’s requirements.

Failure to prove that the NtK was sent and delivered within the required timeframe renders the operator unable to transfer liability to the Keeper under PoFA.

3. Reservation of Rights to Challenge PoFA Compliance

Since no NtK was received, the Appellant cannot assess whether the operator complied with all the requirements of PoFA. The Appellant explicitly reserves the right to challenge the PoFA compliance of any NtK presented by the operator in their evidence pack, if/when received.

POPLA assessors are reminded that:

PoFA compliance must be absolute; partial or substantial compliance is insufficient to transfer liability to the Keeper.
This includes strict adherence to all prescribed wording, deadlines, and content requirements under Schedule 4, Paragraph 9.
Should the operator provide a copy of the NtK, the Appellant reserves the right to highlight any deficiencies or non-compliance in their response to the operator’s evidence.

4. Non-Compliance with BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice (SCoP)

The operator must comply with the BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice (SCoP) as a condition of their membership and in accordance with industry standards. In this case, the operator has failed to comply with the following SCoP provisions:

• Transparency in Communication: The operator failed to ensure that a compliant NtK was received by the Keeper, which is a fundamental procedural failure.
• Proper Escalation Processes: The operator advised the Keeper to appeal using the reminder letter, despite the absence of the original NtK. This does not align with fair and professional practices expected under the SCoP.
• Predatory Practices: The operator appears to rely on missing NtKs to proceed with charges against Keepers, contrary to the fair treatment principles outlined in the SCoP.

The operator is required to adhere to these standards, and their failure to do so casts doubt on the validity of the charge and the fairness of their conduct.

5. Evidence of Landowner Authority Required

The operator is required to have a valid, written contract with the landowner that:

• Grants them the authority to issue parking charges in their own name.
• Confirms their legal right to enforce parking terms on the land in question.

This is a mandatory requirement under both PoFA and the BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice. The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof to produce an unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner, showing that it:

• Grants them the authority to issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in their own name.
• Covers the location where the parking event allegedly took place.
• Was valid on the date of the parking event.

Without such evidence, the operator has no legal standing to pursue this charge, and the PCN should be cancelled.

Conclusion

The operator has failed to establish Keeper liability under PoFA or demonstrate compliance with other legal and procedural requirements. Specifically:

• The original NtK was not received, as evidenced by the operator’s admission that it was “probably lost in the post.”
• The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof that the original NtK was posted and delivered, which requires verifiable evidence such as a Certificate of Posting or delivery receipt.
• The operator has failed to comply with key requirements of the BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice.
• The operator has not demonstrated that they hold a valid contract with the landowner giving them the authority to issue PCNs in their own name.

Given the above points, I request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the Parking Charge Notice.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Thanks b789.

I’ll just copy and paste the whole thing into my popla.

Will do tonight later.