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Help with first ever parking notice charge
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I've received the first parking charge "notice" through the post, and I'm so in need of any advice/guidance!

Bit of context:
- The driver entered the carpark at 13:52:49, parked up there was a manual payment machine and a QR code so scanned it. It came up with a screen to book parking which by default starts the parking rounded up to the next half hour. The driver proceeded with the booking to start the parking at 14:30 so agreed and paid £2.65 for 4 hours to end at 18:30. As the driver came back to the car park, it was really dim and very poorly lit, there was also some construction/rerouting in the exit so by the time the driver could read the signs and exit the car park it was registered at 18:33:36.
- the driver received a parking notice from Bank Park Parking Management for £100, reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days which is midnight today, the notice was served on the 7th of January although I only received it through the post on 17th of January! (notice photos attached)

I'm very inexperienced with this being my first ever parking notice, so, 1) are these companies one of them that I CAN just disregard and ignore or do I have to do something about it? The company is accredited with IPC as I checked. I believe even if it's safe to ignore, psychologically my anxiety will be quite heightened so I'd rather take action.
2) It said on the website that I can start parking up to 30 minutes before my booking, can I claim that it took me at least 8 minutes from 13:52 to 14:00 to find a parking spot, scan the qr code, read through terms and conditions, put all my details in and pay for parking online? So the 30 minutes should technically take me up to 14:30 rather than 14:22?
3) Isn't it fair to have a 10 minute grace period applied to the end, as this is a requirement for all parking spaces ESPECIALLY with how poorly lit the signs and roads were as well as the rerouting of exit? Meaning I should be allowed till 18:40?
4 and most importantly) if I appeal it before midnight and it gets rejected, do I still get to pay £60 or will I have to pay the full £100?

I'm really trying to find a way around it as I genuinely cannot afford to pay £60 or £100, especially when they are claiming overstaying by only a few minutes! I'd appreciate ANY advice.

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Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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The crux of the issue here seems to be that the driver paid for 4 hours of parking, but spent 4 hours 41 minutes in the car park.

Can you show us (perhaps via the driver accessing their browser history) the webpage that is presented when the QR code is scanned for booking?

Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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Welcome. Before we go any further, I need to understand:

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...by default starts the parking rounded up to the next half hour.

Are you suggesting that there is no option to start the parking period in the app from the time you make the transaction? It is highly unusual for one of these rogue, unregulated private parking companies to allow more than 5 or 10 minutes as their "consideration period" before they start the clock on your period of parking.

From what you've told us, your actual period on site as recorded by ANPR was from 13:52 to 18:33. That is a total period of 4:41. You paid for 4 hours only. Even allowing for a 10 minute "grace period", that is still 31 minutes over the period paid for.

So, we need to understand why you say that according to the app, you were not going to be charged for parking until 14:30. Are you sure that it only allowed you to pay for a period of parking from 14:30 because it defaulted to that or was it possible that you could have changed the default back to an earlier time? Is there a 30 minute free parking period at that car park?

As for you questions, I will try and answer them here:

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1) are these companies one of them that I CAN just disregard and ignore or do I have to do something about it? The company is accredited with IPC as I checked. I believe even if it's safe to ignore, psychologically my anxiety will be quite heightened so I'd rather take action.

It is never advised to simply ignore a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), certainly not since 2012. Whilst it is not a "fine", it is a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. Ignoring it, for now, will result in them chasing you with useless debt collector letters. Debt collector letters CAN be safely ignored. As the company is an IPC member, any appeals are highly unlikely to be accepted under any circumstances.

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2) It said on the website that I can start parking up to 30 minutes before my booking, can I claim that it took me at least 8 minutes from 13:52 to 14:00 to find a parking spot, scan the qr code, read through terms and conditions, put all my details in and pay for parking online? So the 30 minutes should technically take me up to 14:30 rather than 14:22?

Nothing you plead is going to change their minds. They want your money and they are greedy. Please show us exactly what is quoted on their website about the starting time fr the parking.

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3) Isn't it fair to have a 10 minute grace period applied to the end, as this is a requirement for all parking spaces ESPECIALLY with how poorly lit the signs and roads were as well as the rerouting of exit? Meaning I should be allowed till 18:40?

You can read the requirements for grace periods here, in the latest BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP):

The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice v1

Annex B has the detail I believe.

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4 and most importantly) if I appeal it before midnight and it gets rejected, do I still get to pay £60 or will I have to pay the full £100?

In most cases they re-offer the "mugs discount". Why do we call it the "mugs discount"? That's because it is designed to influence low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree (mugs) to pay some money into their bank account rather than fight it. In the majority of cases, the PCNs are issued either incorrectly or unfairly.

For what it's worth, here is a suggested appeal that you can send and when they reject it, we can take it from there:

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Subject: Appeal Against Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference Number]

I am the registered keeper and I am appealing the above Parking Charge Notice on the following grounds:

1. Parking Start Time:

The driver entered the car park at 13:52 and spent at least 10 minutes finding a space, reading terms, and paying via the QR code. Your system allowed the driver to book parking from 14:30, which was paid for in full.

2. Grace Period for Exit:

The vehicle exit was recorded at 18:33, just 3 minutes after the paid period of parking ended at 18:30. The BPA/IPC Code of Practice allows a 10-minute grace period to leave the car park, therefore no breach of any terms occurred.

3. Unclear Conditions:

Very poor lighting at the location and extensive construction at the exit delayed the drivers departure, further justifying the minor overstay.

This charge is unfair and not enforceable. I request immediate cancellation. If rejected, please provide all evidence you intend to rely on, including signage and proof of grace periods.

No one pays Bank Park Management if they are on here receiving advice. The saving grace of your predicament is that should they escalate it to a claim in the county court, they use the worthless DCB Legal bulk litigator to issue their claims on their behalf. I can guarantee, with greater than 99% certainty, that any claim issued by DCB Legal that is defended, is eventually discontinued as long as the advice given here is followed.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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Thank you very much for your thorough response, it's genuinely appreciated!

There is an option to start the parking period from the app at 15-minute increments, but the default is set to the next half hours. For instance, if it's 14:01, it automatically starts the booking search with 14:30. I just tried now at 15:23 and it automatically came up with 15:45 rather than 15:30.

https://maps-web.parkbee.com/en/garage/a9a5ba7e-789e-4d78-a3ad-a7ee6cafea22?address=Gould%20Street,%20Manchester,%20M4%204HY,%20United%20Kingdom&lat=53.48921346&lng=-2.23318689&zoom=14&product=go&mapbox_id=dXJuOm1ieHBvaTpjZGQ4YmIwZC1mNTIzLTQxNDgtYTYwNy1jNTkyY2FkOWQyNzQ&ukTimePreset=false&posthogUser=019488c0-bc70-7e22-ad35-566e5851d1ec&pbSessionId=1737461128746&searchRadius=3&startTime=2025-01-21T15:23:49.869Z&endTime=2025-01-21T16:23:00.000Z&viewMode=map&timeChanged=true
Albeit the website gives you an option to "start booking per minute", but I didn't want to do that and I wanted to pay per hour, which leaves me with "I have a booking", or "book for later", which is the option I chose. try it yourself:

I was confused by the whole system and that I was trying to get the booking done asap so that I don't get fined (how ironic) I didn't notice that it's defaulted to 14:30 rather than 14:01 or even 14:15. I could have possibly changed it to 14:15, but again I didn't realise until I made the booking. After I made the booking and realised that it starts at 14:30, I checked the FAQs where it clearly said that they allow for 30 minutes before parking booking starts. Then, I left the carpark. [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

Your appeal template is really well written, thanks a lot. Is it also worth adding that the note was served on the 7th of January but I only received it on the 17th? The parking was made on the 30th of December so it technically is past the 14 days allowed? It doesn't make any sense that they posted it on the 7th with 2-working day postage timeframe and yet I got it on the 17th.

Thanks for the reassurance regarding the extension of the mug discount, though I understand these things can be fought and won eventually, but I'd rather try and appeal and if I lose (most likely) I'll invest £60 into my mental health than worry about any of this hassle. So I'm trying to give myself the best chance in making the most convincing argument in my appeal.

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Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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The date of the alleged contravention was the 30th December.The NtK was issued on the Tuesday 7th January. Allowing for 2 working days for service, it was therefore deemed given on Thursday 9th January. The 14 days starts the day after the alleged contravention. Therefore the Notice was deemed given on day 10, well within the 14 days as required in order to be able to hold the Keeper liable if the drivers identity is not known.

We never recommend paying the mugs discount. You have a far better chance to fight these rogue parking operators and winning. If you feel that the PCN has been issued unfairly, it's your hard earned money and your choice.

The best thing for your mental health in this matter is to learn from the process and understand your rights and how not to be suckered into the unregulated private parking scam.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2025, 03:37:37 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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We never recommend paying the mugs discount. You have a far better chance to fight these rogue parking operators and winning. If you feel that the PCN has been issued unfairly, it's your hard earned money and your choice.


Many thanks for your response. I have since contacted Parkbee who is the operator/landlord of the parking lot that the driver has paid the parking fee for. Parkbee confirmed that they will ask Bank Park Parking Management (the company that issued the notice) to cancel the PCN. They've done so on the 21st of January. I've been chasing them but they still haven't heard back from Bank Park. I've had Parkbee send another email on the 28th of January requesting to cancel the PCN again, but so far they've not heard back.


I'm not entirely sure what to do now as I have WhatsApp conversation evidence from Parkbee who stated in one message "I'm not sure why you get a fine for this sessions, because you paid for the right amount of time", and in another message confirming "I asked them to cancel your PDN, I think it will be all fine now, I don't have an answer yet think they will accept it". When I followed up on my concerns with them they advised "Right now you can ignore the PCN, since you have paid for the booking through us. I can not tell you how long it will take for them to get back to us, but don't worry!"


Regardless of Parkbee reassurances I'm still quite wary as I know that Bank Park might be sneaky and are only waiting for the appeal period to end (28 days starting from 7th of Janaury) in order to pursue their notice and reject Parkbee's request at cancelling my PCN. Could you please advise what to do in this stage? Shall I appeal through Bank Park's appealing process before the 28 days run out or is it safe now to ignore the PCN since Parkbee is willing to cancel it?

Kind regards.

Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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Send the following as a PDF file as an attachment to an email addressed to pcn@bankpark.co.uk and CC in yourself. Do it today:

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Subject: Formal Appeal – Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference Number]

Dear Bank Park Parking Management,

I am the Keeper and am writing to formally appeal Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference Number] issued to vehicle [Vehicle Registration] at [Car Park Location] on [Date].

Grounds for Appeal:

1. Full Payment Was Made

• The driver paid for the parking session via ParkBee, a third-party payment provider authorised for this car park.

• The booking covered the period from 14:30 to 18:30, as per the system's default start time rounding.

• The exit was recorded at 18:33:36, which is within the industry-standard 10-minute grace period allowed by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).

2. ParkBee Confirmed the Charge Should Be Cancelled

• ParkBee has confirmed in writing that a payment was made for the correct parking session and that I should not have received a PCN.

• They have requested that you cancel the PCN on 21st January and again on 28th January, but they have not received any response from you.

• I have attached evidence of my conversation with ParkBee, confirming their request for cancellation.

3. Your NtK Contains a PPSCoP Breach

• The back of your Notice to Keeper states that appeals must be submitted within 21 days.

• However, the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) section 8.4.1(a) states that parking operators must allow 28 days for an appeal.

• Your failure to follow this industry standard is misleading and non-compliant.

4. Request for Cancellation

Given that the parking session was fully paid for, and that ParkBee (the third-party payment provider authorised for this car park) has already requested cancellation, this PCN is invalid and should be cancelled immediately. Please confirm in writing that this charge has been cancelled.

If you reject this appeal, I require:

• A detailed explanation as to why the PCN was issued despite the full payment.

• A response to why you have failed to comply with the PPSCoP appeal timeframe requirements.

• Details of your independent appeals process.

Please confirm cancellation in writing within your ATA Code of Practice defined timeframe requirements.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Email]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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You're quite honestly doing God's work on this website, thanks a lot man.
I'll send that email right now along with my chatlog with Parkbee.

Do I need to do anything else if they don't provide a response? I believe today would be the 27th/28th day from the issuing of the charge, so I believe the appeal should be valid.

Thanks again!

Re: Help with first ever parking notice charge
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Do I need to do anything else if they don't provide a response?
Let us know if you don't hear back, but if they don't respond you should chase them.