Author Topic: GroupNexus - MOTO Wetherby - Paid For Hgv Overnight Parking None Provided In The Correct Area & PCN Issued For Being In  (Read 1680 times)

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they'd say we can't pass on driver details because of GDPR (they throw that one around a lot)
They might want to re-read the UK GDPR, particularly the lawful basis for processing. 1(b) of Article 6 springs to mind...

That said, it often would not be beneficial to the driver for them to be named as the driver. More beneficial than simply having their wages garnished, though.

Tell me about it.

We got a letter from Trading Standards of a county council in October asking for details of a driver that supposedly drove through a 7.5t weight restriction two and half months earlier. I was reluctant to even respond because the dashcam footage is long gone and the drivers recollection is diminished. Driver only recalled the day because he had an undiagnosed broken wrist. Anywho, I explained that there was no legal obligation to give the details, and that we simply ignore it. Higher management sent emails to my manager telling him to call the council and say we can't because of GDPR  ???  He spoke to me about it thankfully and we agreed to not do that and to ignore it (of course if the Police request it under Section 172 of RTA 1988 thats another matter). But that certainly would have been a good way to **** of the council  :-\

Also, the driver contract has a list of monies recoverable by deductions to wages the relevent one here:

any fines, charges, penalties or other monies paid or payable by the Employer to any third party for any act or omission on your part for which the Employer may be held vicariously liable (for example, speeding fines, parking tickets and congestion charges)

Handbook says:

Fines:

Drivers are responsible for all fines, including parking, customer fines etc. These will be deducted from your weekly wage.

But these are NOT “fines”. They are speculative invoices.

If you or anyone receives an “invoice” for an alleged breach of contract by me and you simply decide to pay it and then try and charge me for it, I would simply refer you to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).

If the management are recovering this unlawful payment by docking the drivers wages, they can be sued under the Employment Rights Act 1996 and the Wages Act 1986 (now Part II ERA 1996).

If an employer or fleet manager pays a speculative private parking invoice (it is not a statutory fine) and then deducts that sum from a worker’s pay, they are almost certainly making an unauthorised deduction from wages under section 13 ERA 1996. The deduction is lawful only if:
• It is required by statute (e.g. PAYE, NI, attachment of earnings);
• It is authorised by a written term of the worker’s contract and the worker has been given a copy of that term before the deduction; or
• The worker has given prior written consent to that specific deduction.

Private parking invoices do not fall under any statutory category, and very few employment contracts authorise blanket deductions for such civil “debts”. Therefore docking pay to recover a speculative parking demand is unlawful. The worker can:
• Raise a formal grievance to recover the deducted sum;
• Write a “letter before claim” demanding repayment within 14 days; and
• If ignored, issue a small-claims action in the county court for unlawful deduction of wages under s.23 ERA 1996 (time-limit: 3 months less 1 day from the deduction, or up to 6 years if sued as a simple debt claim).

Where the payment was made by a manager or finance department “on behalf of” the driver, the legal relationship is between the parking company and the driver only. The employer has no authority to admit liability or to pay a civil invoice on another’s behalf unless specifically authorised. Any attempt to recover that payment later is a private matter between employer and employee and must comply with employment-law safeguards.

If such deductions are systematic across a workforce, Trading Standards, HMRC (NMW compliance) or ACAS can be notified. The union—if one exists—should also be informed immediately.
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GroupNexus uploaded their evidence - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BlBlv9V3a2Z331I2429bX2LbFJinSzKf/view?usp=drivesdk

I'm not too sure what to respond with, besides some basic points like clarifying that I did not enter a contract with anyone as they claim, as I wasn't driving. The operator confirms the £33 payment, and their reliance on Beavis is misplaced as that case concerns free parking deterrence and charge here is a punitive penalty imposed on a paying customer, providing a failure of consideration and breaching CRA 2015.

They haven't provided the contract that gives them authority to operate on the site.

They provide two "witness statements" that claim such an authority, and say "this authority was in effect was in effect during the time the PCN was issued", but both of these are dated in 2023, two years prior to this incident. One point to make is that they haven't provided their contract, and a "witness statement" is not a suitable alternative.

You could also make the point that even if a "witness statement" was sufficient, they have failed to provide a contemporaneous one. The fact that they were able to produce witness statements for a PCN issued in 2023, but have not been able to produce one now, creates significant doubt that the authority that existed then still exists now.

They haven't provided the contract that gives them authority to operate on the site.

They provide two "witness statements" that claim such an authority, and say "this authority was in effect was in effect during the time the PCN was issued", but both of these are dated in 2023, two years prior to this incident. One point to make is that they haven't provided their contract, and a "witness statement" is not a suitable alternative.

You could also make the point that even if a "witness statement" was sufficient, they have failed to provide a contemporaneous one. The fact that they were able to produce witness statements for a PCN issued in 2023, but have not been able to produce one now, creates significant doubt that the authority that existed then still exists now.

Thanks for that. I'm just writing a draft currently, does this seem okay:

In response to the parking operators submitted evidence, I would first like to address an incorrect statement made in ‘Section B’. The operator states, “By allowing his vehicle to be parked on the site Mr [My Name] entered into a valid contract and agreed to abide by its terms and conditions.” I, Mr [My Name], was not driving the vehicle and did not enter into any contract with the parking operator nor do I personally own the vehicle.

I maintain all 10 grounds for appeal, particularly the fatal legal defects under Points 1, 2, 5, and 8 of our appeal. The Operator's evidence is insufficient, misleading, and fails to meet the strict burden of proof required.

1. Payment & Contract Failure (Point 1 & 9): The Operator confirms the £33.00 payment but fails to rebut the core argument: the charge is a punitive penalty imposed upon a paying customer when the service failed. The Operator's reliance on ParkingEye v Beavis is misplaced, as that case concerned free parking deterrence; it is irrelevant to a paid, frustrated contract.

2. Fatal PoFA Failure (Point 2 & 4): The Operator has failed to provide a copy of the served NtK showing a legible "period of parking" as required by PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(a). Their evidence focuses only on the date of issue, ignoring the mandatory content requirements. The failure to clearly identify the "creditor" (point 4) remains a fatal defect.

3. Prohibitive Contravention (Point 5): The Operator confirms the charge is for "obstruction," which is a prohibitive term that cannot legally form the basis of a private parking contract that claims damages.

4. Failure to Prove Contravention (Points 6 & 10): Furthermore, the Operator has provided no evidence to substantiate the core claim that the vehicle was "causing an obstruction." Their submitted photos merely show the vehicle's position; they do not show any blocked road users, blocked access, or an unsafe situation. The Operator failed to mitigate by asking the driver to move. Given the lack of reliable timestamps (Point 2) and the absence of any photographic evidence of genuine impedance, the Operator has failed to meet the factual burden of proof necessary to establish a breach of terms. This evidential insufficiency alone necessitates the allowance of the appeal.

5. Landowner Authority is Unproven (Point 8): The Operator has submitted two generic “witness statements”, which is not the strict proof (the unredacted, contemporaneous contract) required by POPLA to confirm their authority over the specific locus (HGV area) or to enforce this specific contravention ("obstruction"). Both “Witness Statements” are dated 2023, two years prior to this incident. They haven’t provided their contract, and a “witness statement” is not a suitable alternative.

Even if a “witness statement” was sufficient, they have failed to provide a contemporaneous one. The fact they were able to produce witness statements for a PCN issued in 2023, but have not been able to produce one now, creates significant doubt that the authority that existed then still exists now.

But the contract has not been evidenced. It says the contract is with CP Plus Ltd. Nowhere on the NtK does it state who the actual creditor is. The creditor must be identified.

You don’t know whether the creditor is the operator (CP Plus Ltd or GroupNexus Ltd), MOTO as the leaseholder or the landowner. That is a failure of PoFA 9(2)(h).

They state in their evidence that the date that the NtK was deemed to have been delivered is a fact unless “the contrary has been proven”. The “contrary” is “proven” if the presumption of delivery is rebutted. In other words, if you rebut that the NtK was given on the date they claim, the burden of proof shifts to them to prove that it was posted first class in time for it to have been delivered (served) in accordance with the Interpretation Act.

So, without a Proof of Posting certificate or equivalent evidence from a mail consolidator of the date it was entered into the postal system, “the contrary” is proven. Not that POPLA moron would understand that.

It’s only POPLA and this would never reach a hearing in court so I wouldn’t expend too much energy or time with the response. Just try and lead the assessor to the main facts that no PoFA Keeper liability, no evidence of standing, and that Beavis does not even apply to this case.

Let a proper judge decide on the facts. They won’t want this going near a courtroom.
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Thanks both, I added in those points to my additional comments
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