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Just wait for the inevitable appeal rejection and the POPLA code. You will have 33 days from the appeal rejection date to make your POPLA appeal.

And is a POPLA appeal likely to be accepted for this? What would a rejection mean here? That the liability is transferred to the registered keeper? Or that I would be obliged to give the drivers details? I would assume the former.

POPLA decisions are only binding on the operator. So, if your appeal is successful, the operator must cancel the PCN. If not, then the POPLA appeal is not binding on you.

POPLA is not some authority and have very little respect from myself or anyone else who assists in these matters. They are a company that exists because of the funding they get from the BPA members, the very same ones they are supposed to adjudicating on. Do you see the conflict of interest here?

If your POPLA appeal is unsuccessful... so what? You move on to the next phase which is ignoring all the useless debt collector demands and wait for a Letter of Claim (LoC) and subsequent N1SDT Claim Form where you will be able to defend the claim with our assistance. The odds of an actual claim ever reaching an actual hearing are very low as almost all claims are either struck out or discontinued. The very few that make it as far as an actual hearing in the ultimate dispute resolution service which is with a judge, are won.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Just wait for the inevitable appeal rejection and the POPLA code. You will have 33 days from the appeal rejection date to make your POPLA appeal.

I got the rejection letter for both of them back today. I actually got another PCN with the same issue yesterday which I appealed the same way.

But now I will appeal to POPLA. I have seen a few successful appeals for this on moneysupermarket forums with non compliant NtK, such as one that had the site location as Lidl *whatever the town was called* and there is 2 lidls in the town and they didn't specify which. I think the same one also didn't have the writing saying that after 28 days, the registered keeper would be held liable if the notice is ignored etc etc.

But is partial none compliance, like not having a specified parking period or time of contravention, enough to win a POPLA appeal? I guess I just don't have confidence in POPLA. Should I have confidence in them here?

Okay, I hadn't actually seen your last response, on page 2, duh 🙄 

POPLA decisions are only binding on the operator. So, if your appeal is successful, the operator must cancel the PCN. If not, then the POPLA appeal is not binding on you.

POPLA is not some authority and have very little respect from myself or anyone else who assists in these matters. They are a company that exists because of the funding they get from the BPA members, the very same ones they are supposed to adjudicating on. Do you see the conflict of interest here?

If your POPLA appeal is unsuccessful... so what? You move on to the next phase which is ignoring all the useless debt collector demands and wait for a Letter of Claim (LoC) and subsequent N1SDT Claim Form where you will be able to defend the claim with our assistance. The odds of an actual claim ever reaching an actual hearing are very low as almost all claims are either struck out or discontinued. The very few that make it as far as an actual hearing in the ultimate dispute resolution service which is with a judge, are won.

Hi, sorry to bother you again. This is the appeal letter I have written for POPLA:
“I am an agent of the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, and I am appealing the Parking Charge Notice (PCN), issued by GroupNexus, on their behalf.

I, the registered keeper was not the driver at the time of the alleged contravention and am under no legal obligation to identify the driver.
 

I dispute the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the following grounds:

(1) Failure to adhere to the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)

(2) Notice to Keeper in breach of the BPA Code of Practice


1. Failure to adhere to requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

GroupNexus’s Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) which prevent them from transferring liability from the driver to me, the registered keeper. PoFA was introduced to allow parking operators to hold keepers liable when the driver is not known, but only if the operator is fully compliant with the Act’s requirements.

In this case, GroupNexus’s non-compliance with PoFA requirements invalidates their claim to hold the keeper liable. The Notice to Keeper that has been issued by GroupNexus does not include a period of parking which must be included on the Notice to Keeper as per PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a). In Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H] it was determined that a single point in time is not a “period of parking” and there must be a minimum period stated to comply with PoFA 2012.

Partial or substantial compliance is not sufficient, as established in several POPLA decisions and persuasive appeals in the courts. Therefore, GroupNexus’s NtK is invalid for the purposes of transferring liability to the registered keeper.
 

2. The NtK fails to comply with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, to which GroupNexus is a member.

There should be a time of contravention recorded (17.2.1 (c)), and a period of parking specified (Annex C, “Liability”) to satisfy that the consideration period has expired (see Annex B, B.1 & Table B.1).

GroupNexus are required to record the time of contravention. Furthermore, a specified period of parking must be included, not only to meet the requirements set out by the PoFA, but also to ensure compliance with Annex C, Liability, of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. Annex C explicitly states that meeting the conditions of PoFA is essential for transferring liability and pursuing the Registered Keeper. A specified period of parking is also necessary to ensure GroupNexus complies with the application of the consideration period and verifies its expiration as per Annex B, B.1 & Table B.1 of the BPA Code of Practice.

This was pointed out to the operator in the original appeal but was completely ignored in their response. I cannot be held liable as the keeper because the Notice to Keeper (NtK) failed to comply fully with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

Beyond the regulations and code of practice, the registered keeper has over 700 vehicles and employs over 900 drivers. There are vehicles with multiple drivers a day, often doing the same routes and stopping at the same services. I would require some indication of what time it occurred to identify who the driver was with certainty.”

I'm an idiot, I wrote this and realised I had been looking at (https://nexusplatform.co.uk/parking-charge/) for pictures and not (https://groupnexus.ec6pay.com/), I had googled groupnexus appeals I'd guess and gone on the usual site I would use for them (presumably an old site?). The images online are timestamped, there are 3 of them of the vehicle, which are taken over a timespan of 17 seconds.


Doesn't matter. They have no evidence that the vehicle wasn't parked for longer than the minimum consideration period for a contract to have been made with the driver.

Here is a draft of your POPLA appeal:

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I am acting as the authorised agent of the registered keeper of the vehicle. The keeper was not the driver and is under no legal obligation to identify the driver. The Keeper has a fleet that includes over 700 vehicles and more than 900 drivers. Vehicles regularly have multiple drivers each day, especially on motorway routes. Without any indication of the time of the alleged contravention, it was impossible for the keeper to investigate or determine who the driver was. This is entirely due to the operator’s failure to include the required details in the Notice to Keeper.

This appeal is made on the following grounds:

1. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), meaning keeper liability does not arise.
2. The NtK breaches the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) due to the absence of a time of contravention and the failure to specify a period of parking.
3. The operator has failed to provide decipherable timestamped evidence or demonstrate that the minimum consideration period was exceeded.
4. The NtK is fundamentally invalid and does not establish a contravention
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1. The NtK fails to comply with PoFA 2012

Under Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 to PoFA, a Notice to Keeper must “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates.” GroupNexus’s NtK fails to do this. It merely provides a date and includes two undated photographs. A single moment in time or a single date is not a period of parking. This point was confirmed in the persuasive appellate decision of Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions [2023] H6DP632H, in which the judge ruled that PoFA requires more than a single moment in time recorded and this NtK does not even have that. A period must be stated.

Because this requirement has not been met, the operator cannot hold the keeper liable.

2. The NtK breaches the PPSCoP

Under section 2.24 of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), it states that a "parking period is:

"the length of time that a vehicle remains on controlled land, which includes the consideration period.
NOTE: A parking charge must not be enforced where the consideration period has not expired."

Therefore, a parking charge notice must not only include both the date and time of the alleged contravention but also at least the minimum period of the alleged contravention. The NtK in this case includes neither a time of contravention nor a period of parking. This is a direct breach of the Code.

Section 8 of the PPSCoP confirms that in order to pursue keeper liability, operators must comply fully with PoFA. The NtK does not meet these requirements and therefore fails both the statutory and code-based obligations.

Additionally, Section B1 of the PPSCoP requires a minimum consideration period to be allowed before any parking charge is issued. For car parks with over 500 spaces, the minimum is 10 minutes. No evidence has been provided to show that this 10-minute period was exceeded and that a contract could have been formed with the driver.

3. No timestamped evidence and no proof the consideration period expired

The NtK contains two photographs of the vehicle, allegedly in a coach bay, with no evidence to back that assertion. However, neither photo has a decipherable timestamp. There is no entry time, no exit time, and no ANPR data showing duration. The operator’s online portal does not provide additional evidence.

There is simply no way to determine whether the vehicle was parked where they claim or at all, or whether it was just stationary briefly. No elapsed time has been demonstrated. Without this, the operator has failed to prove that the minimum 10-minute consideration period was exceeded.

4. The NtK is not a valid PCN

A valid Parking Charge Notice must contain enough information to allow either the keeper or the driver to understand what is being alleged. This NtK fails to state a time of contravention, does not specify any period of parking, and does not include timestamped evidence to support any claim of breach.

The absence of these basic elements renders the NtK fundamentally invalid.

Conclusion:

This NtK fails to comply with PoFA, breaches the PPSCoP, lacks evidence, and does not show that the consideration period was exceeded. The operator has not established that any contravention occurred, and keeper liability does not arise. The appeal must be upheld.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Doesn't matter. They have no evidence that the vehicle wasn't parked for longer than the minimum consideration period for a contract to have been made with the driver.


Thanks very much for the draft, that is super helpful and is greatly appreciated!

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The operator’s online portal does not provide additional evidence.

Is it worth including screenshots (which I have) from the portal? It shows I'm not just making it up, even if I was unwittingly using the wrong version of the portal, it is still their portal, which allows you to login, has the group nexus name and logo, and clearly states you can pay or appeal a parking charge notice issued by cp plus, groupnexus or highview parking on it. It's not like they can say it's not their portal 🤷‍♂️

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If you think it helps or will make a difference, then put what you want in the appeal. Thos two images you've shown us are not going to prove anything.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I was just thinking if they came back with evidence of the timestamped photos on their portal, it would look like I lied by saying there was no additional evidence on the online portal.

1st one of 6 appeals came back all appealed with the same non-compliance issues. Not quite sure how liability can be transferred to the keeper 🤔

"Decision

Unsuccessful



Assessor Name

Heidi Brown



Assessor summary of operator case

The parking operator has issued a parking charge notice due to the motorist parking in a coach bay.



Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: - The appellant states the Notice to Keeper fails to meet the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. They further state it fails to establish the contravention. - The appellant states the PCN does not define the period of parking. - The appellant states the operator has failed to provide photo evidence to demonstrate that the consideration period was exceeded. Upon reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant has reiterated their grounds. The appellant has provided copies of their appeal, a copy of the PCN, a screenshot of the operator’s portal and correspondence with the operator.



Assessor supporting rational for decision

When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. When entering a site, it is the motorist’s responsibility to read the signs and adhere to the terms and conditions stated. In this case, the signs state Coach parking only...HGV parking is allowed between the hours of 19:00 - 07:00 and only when the HGV area is full. The operator has provided warden images which show the HGV in question parked in the coach bay at 16:16. Therefore, the terms and conditions of the site were breached, and a charge was issued for Ł100. - The appellant states the Notice to Keeper fails to meet the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. They further state it fails to establish the contravention. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. The parking operator is holding "the company" liable as the registered keeper.

I have reviewed the Notice to Keeper (NTK) and can confirm that it contains all the relevant sections of PoFA, and it was issued within the relevant timeframe. Therefore, it is a compliant NTK, and the operator is permitted to pursue "the company" as the keeper. It should be noted that the PCN clearly state the reason for issue as: Parking in a coach bay. As the vehicle is a HGV it is clear what contravention occurred. - The appellant states the PCN does not define the period of parking. I have reviewed the NTK, and the period of parking is defined by the date and the warden images are timestamped. Therefore, the period of parking was defined. - The appellant states the operator has failed to provide photo evidence to demonstrate that the consideration period was exceeded. The appellant continued to dispute this in the motorist comments. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 5.1 of the Single Code of Practice states that parking operators must allow a consideration period of appropriate duration, subject to the requirements set out in Annex B to allow a driver time to decide whether or not to park. The vehicle in question was left unattended in a bay where it was not permitted to park. Whilst the observation period is short, as the vehicle was not permitted to park in the area, the consideration period does not apply. It should be noted that the PCN images are timestamped, whilst the timestamp is small, the yellow timestamps are visible on the appellant’s own evidence of the PCN. The appellant has stated in the motorist comments that they were not afforded the opportunity to see the timestamped warden images on the operator’s portal, they provided a screenshot to support this.

POPLA’s sole role is to assess if the terms were breached and if the charge was issued correctly. It is not within our remit to comment on the operator’s internal appeals process, if the appellant wishes to make a complaint about this, they can contact the operator. The appellant has reiterated their original grounds of appeal after reviewing the operator’s case file. As I have addressed these issues above, I will not comment further. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist parked in a coach bay and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal."
« Last Edit: June 18, 2025, 06:06:00 pm by TheParkingmeister »

Don't worry. The POPLA decision is not binding on you. Do not pay anything.

As you can see, the POPLA assessor has very limited intellectual conception about consideration periods and contracts formed by conduct. You may as well have been trying to persuade a chimpanzee about the nuances of PoFA and contract law.

Wait for all the responses.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I know people say that but ffs I expected more than that, I didn't realise it was going to be that bad.

They falsely concluded that the NTK was POFA-compliant, based on what reasoning? 🤔🤷‍♂️
They effectively said: "It was a company vehicle. We think POFA was followed. Therefore, the company is liable."

They also said “The yellow timestamp was visible in your own screenshot of the PCN.” it was there but it's not legible, and even in the operators original digital version they submitted was only visible when magnified beyond what the eye could see on an A4 page."

And apparently you don't get a consideration period for a coach only area, even though, HGV's can park there sometimes... if you read the signs... that you are not allowed to read... as there isn't a consideration period. Make it make sense. 🤦‍♂️

I wasn't actually notified of the outcome of this I just happened to check, so I'll wait and see the other outcomes and see if they notify me before doing anything. You think they will likely all be the same outcome? Are all the assessors this bad?

I also put in a formal complaint with GroupNexus about 75 days ago now, and a follow up email 30 days ago and have had no response. I put in a complaint to BPA 30 days ago and got a response on Monday asking if I had a response from the parking operator yet.


Are all the assessors this bad?
I think you were particularly unlucky - some are bad, some are alright.

I'd be tempted to complain to POPLA - they won't reverse the decision under any circumstances, but they might (if you're lucky) admit that the assessor made a mistake.

There's often a certain amount of interpretation involved with PoFA, so their conclusion on that is unsurprising, but the idea that the vehicle being "unattended" means that no consideration period required is a baffling conclusion to reach - how is a driver meant to consider the terms on offer without leaving his vehicle unattended to go to the nearest sign and read said terms?

Are all the assessors this bad?
I think you were particularly unlucky - some are bad, some are alright.

I'd be tempted to complain to POPLA - they won't reverse the decision under any circumstances, but they might (if you're lucky) admit that the assessor made a mistake.

There's often a certain amount of interpretation involved with PoFA, so their conclusion on that is unsurprising, but the idea that the vehicle being "unattended" means that no consideration period required is a baffling conclusion to reach - how is a driver meant to consider the terms on offer without leaving his vehicle unattended to go to the nearest sign and read said terms?

The more I read it, the more it really boils my p*ss.

I'll wait for the outcome on some of the others first before I complain. I know they won't change it, but I'd really like an actual explanation for what they have written. Like how "the consideration period does not apply." as the vehicle is not permitted in the area... but it is sometimes... but you have to read the signs to know that and be able to consider the terms to know this? Isn't that precisely what a consideration period is for? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ rhetorical question, of course it is.

I'd also like an explanation for the assessors statement "I have reviewed the NtK, and the period of parking is defined by the date and the warden images are timestamped. Therefore, the period of parking was defined." A date is not a period of parking, and the warden images on the NtK have no legible timestamp it is a blurred yellow stripe. I could put the NtK under a magnifying glass, or a microscope, and I still wouldn't be able to read what it says.

It's actually just untrue what she says and that's what really p*sses me off.

We have been dealing with this unregulated industry for years, and we can understand your frustration. POPLA is a business and gets its income from the very BPA members they are adjudicating on. If they accepted too many appeals, they would be p!ssing off their paymasters. Believe it or not, POPLA itself has no, zero oversight.

As I mentioned, a POPLA decision is not binding on you and you simply move on to the next stage in the process After any POPLA rejection, you will eventually start receiving useless debt recovery letters which you can safely ignore. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. You will be waiting for the inevitable Letter of Claim (LoC) for each PCN in due course and that is when we progress to the next stage.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain