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Hi everyone ..I got this PCN today ..Any expert who can help me with this situation..Please let me know .
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Re: PCN for failed to obtain a permit in accordance with notified terms
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Why was the vehicle parked for 22 minutes in breach of the terms and conditions? What kind of help are you looking for?
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Hi it was mentioned over there permit holders only and there was masjid in the same building i was there to offer my prayer but i did not know that we were not allowed to park there .Is there any ground for appeal ? Please let me know
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To be honest, there is very little chance that this will be successful at any appeal. The lesson to be learnt is that the driver should always check for any terms and conditions signs when entering private land.

If you want to try and fight it, you must be prepared to fight it all the way to a county court claim. CEL sometimes use DCB Legal to issue their claims and those are easy to defeat. However, they are increasingly using their own in house legal team and these are more likely to go all the way to a hearing, where this case has maybe a 50% chance.

The only real argument would be signage. If the driver was unaware that they could or should not park where they did, then it is possible that the signs were not adequate for the job.
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So what do you suggest ??because there is sign of permit holders and the parking was next to building in which mosque is on ground floor and gym is on 3rd floor..and through ticket i came to know about that the parking was for gym as it was not mentioned anywhere that it was for gym members ..and if i want to fight what is the legal way of fighting and is there anyone you know who can help me with this ..please let me know ..Thank you
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You can find the landlord and ask them to get it cancelled. If the mosque is in the same building as the gym, then ask someone there who is the landlord or managing agent and then contact them and ask that the charge is cancelled.
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Ok i will do that and if they did not drop it then what do you suggest ?? Should i pay it or is there anyone who can help me fight this PCN ..thank you
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Hi ..i have talked to gym staff but they said they can't do anything and there are ni clear signs there that the parking was for gym only ..please guide me..Should i challenge this and if so then on what grounds ?thank you
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The decision has to be yours. You can challenge it but it is likely to go all the way to a county court claim which you will have to defend. Depending on whether CE issue the claim themselves, which usually means they have a fairly solid case, or the hand it over to DCB Legal, in which case you are guaranteed that it will be discontinued if defended.

So, without knowing how they will proceed with it once the initial appeals are rejected (they will be), all I can advise is that should you feel that you have been issued the PCN unfairly, then if CE issue the claim themselves, you have a 50:50 prospect of winning. If they hand to to DCB Legal to issue the claim, then you have a 99.999% chance of winning.

The choice is yours. We will of course provide any necessary advice should you decide to fight the PCN.
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Hi okay thank you so much for your assistance ..
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@b789@Muhammad I am not an expert in this field and I have no idea re this case frankly.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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Try this: Thank you for your PCN. I deny liability for this and am not prepared to waste my time making an appeal. Should you wish to pursue the matter, you can do so via the Court system

Yours

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I phoned another expert who is a solicitor and specialist in this area. And go with @b789 as above.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2025, 08:09:21 am by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Quote from: Hippocrates on August 13, 2025, 08:23:06 pm
Try this: Thank you for your PCN. I deny liability for this and am not prepared to waste my time making an appeal. Should you wish to pursue the matter, you can do so via the Court system
I'm not sure I'd recommend that approach. The courts expect potential litigants to treat court as a last resort, and make efforts to resolve the matter without their involvement. If the recipient of a parking charge is of the belief he does not owe the money, he should set out the reasons why, not refuse to engage altogether and say "see you in court".

If you're planning to fight the matter, you might as well do it properly, and if so, you would be wise to show us the back of the PCN, and photos of the signage at the site.
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Hi i have appealed them and they denied the appeal and asked  me to pay fine or take matter to Popla..So Experts please suggest me what to do next .I am attaching the link here to what they have said ..Please guide me..Thank you

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MmQ_3owGoWfsYDilhK5b8QqQYkp4X3i1/view?usp=drivesdk
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What did your appeal say?
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