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Any assitance with the following would be greatly recieved. I had success on here before so I am hoping that your wisdom will once again be of help.

The driver entered the car park and parked up. Then entered the pub for antenatal classes there and whilst there ordered a drink at the bar. Then a few days later recieved the parking charge notice to keeper in the post. They called the pub to see if they could cancel it as they have been advised previously the quickest way to get them cancelled is normally to contact the busniess owner and not the parking services company. The pub manager was very helpful and explained that he cannot cancel parking charge but did state that he can provide a copy of the reciept and to submit it when appealing. Aparantely GXS do not accept banking transactions but receipts from the pub only. Aparantly there are loads of signs in the car park and the driver should have entered their registration into an iPad on the way in. It was dark when the car was parked and the driver did not notice any of this.

A copy of the email confirming the pub as the venue with times and dates for the antenatal classes is available to be submitted as part of the appeal. Also a screenshot of credit card transaction on the date but not the time. Hopefully the manager will reply with the till reciept for the drink bought with time and date.



« Last Edit: November 02, 2025, 11:26:08 am by Patrick »

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Re: GXS Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper - Rose and Crown Pub Orpington
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That Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the Keeper liable if the driver is not identified. As you are dealing with an IPC member company and the fact that tea re all ex-clampers, don't expect anything will get this cancelled by the operator.

If the pub contracted GXS, then they are perfectly able to get this cancelled. Ask the landlord who is the Monkey and who is Organ Grinder in their contractual relationship?

I am amused by your optimism that these ex-clampers will accept your appeal. You are dealing with a scum of the earth firm whose sole desire is to scam you out of your money. Also, don't expect the IAS to assist either. The IAS is a kangaroo court and you have a less than 4% chance of that being successful.

Where this will be won is after a county court money claim is issued and you defend it with our advice. The odds of it ever reaching a hearing are slim to none, and even if it did, the Keeper cannot be liable if the driver is not identified.

If you get the till receipt in time, ten you can try your appeal, for what it's worth. Personally, I would simply appeal on the following grounds:

quote]I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. GSX has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. GSX have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.[/quote]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Good evening,

Thanks for your help. I appealed with the following,

"The drop down menu for reason is not extensive enough and does not included the option 'Other reason'. I have selected one at random.I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. GSX has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. GSX have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."

They have declined the appeal with the following letter. This is the first two pages. There are about 10 pages afterwards of photos of the signage. Taken during daylight hours most likely years ago I might add.

Advice on how best to proceed now is welcomed. Also irritatingly the driver attended the same pub a week later and did enter their registration into the iPad and would you believe it they recieved another Parking Charge in the post for that date too. Also shown below. Advice how how best to proceed with this one is also welcomed. Thanks in advance!






Re: GXS Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper - Rose and Crown Pub Orpington
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My advice is to tell the pub landlord that you, your family and friends will no longer be customers and will be taking your custom elsewhere unless they get the PCN cancelled and rein in their agent who is issuing speculative invoices to their customers.

As for the appeal rejection, as advised already, it is exactly as expected. Appeal to the IAS, for what it's worth, with the following:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers”. Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thanks for such a detailed reply. What is the next steps if the appeal to IAS is rejected? Does this then go to a court order or similar?

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Thanks for such a detailed reply. What is the next steps if the appeal to IAS is rejected? Does this then go to a court order or similar?
See Reply #1
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Where this will be won is after a county court money claim is issued and you defend it with our advice. The odds of it ever reaching a hearing are slim to none, and even if it did, the Keeper cannot be liable if the driver is not identified.
Wait for a Letter of Claim and post it here. Ignore and do not contact debt collectors.
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Re: GXS Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper - Rose and Crown Pub Orpington
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Does the fact that the driver entered their registration into the iPad on the way in effect the inital appeal for the second one? Or should I use the one below, the same one as the first one.


"I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. GSX has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. GSX have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."

Re: GXS Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper - Rose and Crown Pub Orpington
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No appeal is going to work with these scammers. You are only doing so to show that you have gone through their futile process and have satisfaction of knowing that they are going to have to work to try and get their money, which they never will, as long as you keep following the advice.

What has the pub management said after complaints were made about their rogue agent pissing off all their customers who are not likely to return and neither will others once they learn about the way this pub treats its genuine customers? Have you given them any ratings through social media or TrustPilot, warning others about the high likelihood of receiving a £100 invoice, just for being a patron?

The fact that the driver entered their VRM but still received a PCN is indicative of how corrupt and greedy this operator is. It does not make one iota of difference for the appeals stages.

You have already been advised that there is no basis in law for them to hold the Keeper liable for the charge if the driver is not identified. They will push this all the way to a county court claim for debt. That is very good for you, the Keeper. Their MO is to try and intimidate you into paying out of ignorance and fear.

However, if the claim were to ever reach a hearing in front of a judge (highly unlikely), they would receive a spanking in court. What they are most likely going to do, is discontinue at a late stage, in the hope you are low-hanging fruit.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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The fact that the driver entered their VRM but still received a PCN is indicative of how corrupt and greedy this operator is. It does not make one iota of difference for the appeals stages.
Whilst I agree, I'd be tempted to include a sentence pointing it out (in a way that does not identify the driver, of course). Additional fuel to the defensive fire if it can be pointed out that they haven't even addressed the underlying fact that the charge shouldn't have been issued in the first place if their equipment had been working.

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Update on the outcome in case it is helpful for you for future advice.

Both cancelled!

I recieved emails from the IAS that stated, "Your appeal to the Independent Appeals Service has now been conceded. The operator will no longer be pursuing the PCN detailed below."

No reason was given so I logged onto the IAS portal and it states, "The Operator conceded this appeal due to not completing their Prima Facie Case on time"

I can only assume that GXS didn't bother to reply to the IAS.

Thanks for all the help!
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Re: GXS Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper - Rose and Crown Pub Orpington
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Excellent, very few wins come at this early stage.

Re: GXS Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper - Rose and Crown Pub Orpington
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It's a "win" in the sense that the operator "conceded" the appeal. In other words, no contest and they scurried off. Well done.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain