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Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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Thanks again, I appreciate your help.

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Do you have to fill in the mediation section (E)?  I don't want to mediate with them, but perhaps I have to be seen as willing?  Your guide doesn't mention this.  Not a criticism, just an explanation as to why I am checking this.

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Do you have to fill in the mediation section (E)?  I don't want to mediate with them, but perhaps I have to be seen as willing?  Your guide doesn't mention this.  Not a criticism, just an explanation as to why I am checking this.
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Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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Thank you, this has been submitted as advised.

Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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Evening folks.

The telephone hearing took place a few weeks ago, at which i of course did not offer to pay anything.

I have now received this:



Seems pretty obvious, but just for the sake of a complete thread, I believe that i should expect a call from DCB over the next few weeks, to which I refuse to pay anything.  They may try again for a smaller amount and then they will fail to pay the fee and be struck out.

Correct?  Thanks
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Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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If they attempt to call you, ignore them and block their number.

The 2nd page of that notice should specify a date by which witness statements must be submitted (if not discontinued by then). Does it and if so what is the date for that?

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No idea wh you redacted the 4pm and 10am times on that notice. They are public domain and have no significance to any privacy issues.

The crucial date is the £27 trial fee deadline, as it is just before this date that they will issue the N279 Notice of Discontinuance. Please show that to us when it arrives and leave the signature and their position unredacted.
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The 2nd page of that notice should specify a date by which witness statements must be submitted (if not discontinued by then). Does it and if so what is the date for that?

4pm on the 19th of December. Is there more i should submit then?

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just to be clear you entered your defence via email to the court. I don't think when doing it this way you see anything on your mcol account. but I might be wrong.

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just to be clear you entered your defence via email to the court. I don't think when doing it this way you see anything on your mcol account. but I might be wrong.

The MCOL history will be updated to show the date the defence was received and submitted, whether sent snail mail, email or directly through MCOL.

MCOL will update to show any action until the claim is transferred to the defendants local county court. After that, it plays no part in the process.
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Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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Hello

Hello helpful people - an observation, and a couple of questions, about the timeline to the trial date for this case.

OBSERVATION
The trial date is 25 February 2026.
The trial fee payment deadline is 28 January 2026.
The deadline for the Witness Statements is given as 4pm on 19 December 2025.

QUESTION
Is it normal to have the WS date so early? - six weeks before the trial fee deadline.
Do you think the claimant will file their WS that early? - or will they deliberately miss the date so they have the defendant's WS first.

I would appreciate your view on those questions - thanks.


Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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You’re not imagining it – those dates are unhelpful and front-load all the work onto you, while DCB Legal still haven’t even committed to paying the trial fee.

1. What the court has effectively said

– The PoC say no more than “vehicle parked without a valid pay by phone transaction” plus the usual boilerplate.
– Your defence is: these PoC are still too bare to meet CPR 16.4 and you invited strike-out.
– The procedural judge has chosen not to strike the claim or your defence. So the 16.4 point is preserved, but it’s now for the trial judge to decide, not a done deal.

Separately, the court has ordered witness statements by 19 December 2025. That is a binding direction on both sides unless it is varied.

2. The defence is all about CPR 16.4

A defence is a pleading. It explains why, at the pleadings stage, you could not properly answer a vague claim.

A witness statement is evidence. You are allowed to say:

– At the time I filed my defence, the PoC were too bare for me to plead fully.
– I maintain that they still fail CPR 16.4 and that the claim should be struck out.
– However, in compliance with the court’s later order to file a witness statement, I set out below the limited facts I can give, without waiving my criticisms of the PoC.

That lets you give the four key facts:

– Site is an abandoned industrial estate, businesses closed.
– Terms require the driver to be a “customer” of a non-existent business, so compliance is impossible.
– There is a gate that is always left open, so this is obviously a trap, not genuine control.
– The vehicle was only on site for 11 minutes.

You can then argue, in the alternative, that even if the judge finds the PoC just about adequate, on those facts there is either no contract, or no breach, or the charge is plainly an unfair penalty. That does not contradict the defence. It shows you did not have enough pleaded information then, but you are now complying with the court’s later order and giving the judge what little factual background you can.

3. Your specific dilemma: file on 19 December if ECP/DCB have done nothing?

Yes. Even if they have not served any WS by that date, You should still serve a short, tightly-focused WS on the deadline. Waiting to see if they pay the trial fee or serve a WS is too risky, for three reasons:

a) You would be in clear breach of a court order.
If ECP pay the fee and eventually serve a WS, they can point to your non-compliance. You could be looking at needing relief from sanctions just to rely on your own evidence. That is wholly avoidable.

b) Judges are often more forgiving of late claimant evidence than of a LiP who ignored directions.
You do not want to hand ECP/DCB an easy procedural point while relying on the court’s indulgence for yourself.

c) If you serve nothing, and they serve something (even late), the judge has only their factual account.
Your 16.4 argument may or may not land. If it doesn’t, you will have zero evidence on the merits to oppose their narrative.

4. The “judge might say you knew enough”

That risk exists whether or not you file a WS. The judge can already see from:

– The PoC: “no valid pay by phone transaction”; and
– The fact you’ve defended at all,

that you have some idea what incident this is about.

Your best protection is not to refuse to give evidence. It is to make the structure of your WS absolutely clear:

– Primary: the PoC never gave you the basic particulars that CPR 16.4 requires (time, date, signage relied on, contractual terms, how the sum is calculated, whether they sue you as driver or keeper, etc). Re-explain that, with the PoC exhibited.
– Prejudice: explain that as a LiP you were put in an impossible position at the pleadings stage, forced to defend in the dark, and that the court should not reward ECP for using vague, generic PoC.
– Alternative: only then, “for the avoidance of doubt”, set out the four factual points you know and why, even on those limited facts, there is no enforceable claim.

If the judge decides “this claim just about passes CPR 16.4”, you have at least given yourself a merits defence. If you serve nothing, you lose both procedurally and on the facts.

5. How to use ECP/DCB behaviour and the timetable

You are absolutely right that the timetable is lopsided: you must do the WS work before ECP have paid the fee, in a claim type where ECP/DCB Legal notoriously discontinue very late. So say so, in clear terms in the WS:

– You are a LiP in a low-value parking claim.
– You have been forced to prepare a WS months before trial and before the claimant has even shown they intend to proceed by paying the trial fee.
– In this ECP/DCB Legal model of bulk litigation, almost all claims are discontinued late if defended, so this is disproportionate and abusive.
– Invite the court to take that conduct into account, especially if they do discontinue late.

That way, if they do drag you through all this and then drop it, you have at least laid the groundwork to argue unreasonable conduct and seek your costs.

6. Bottom line

Given that:

– The court has not struck the claim out.
– There is a clear order requiring WS by 19 December 2025.
– ECP/DCB Legal may or may not pay the fee.

The safest and most sensible course is:

– On 19 December, serve a short, focused WS even if ECP/DCB Legal have served nothing.
– Make it primarily about CPR 16.4 non-compliance and prejudice, with your four key factual points clearly framed as an alternative.
– Keep full proof of service.

Only if the court itself vacates the directions or strikes out the claim before that date would it be sensible not to bother. Anything else (waiting to see if they pay, waiting for their WS first) hands control back to ECP/DCB Legal and exposes you to avoidable procedural risk.

So, if you have not received their WS a few days before the deadline, remind me here and I can put something together that you can use as your WS, unless you fancy preparing it yourself and showing us before submitting it at the deadline.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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b789 - wow! - thank you for your reply to my questions - that is very helpful.

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Thank you all.  Just for the avoidance of all doubt, do I need to enter anything else by the 19th, or the particulars (as provided here) I have already submitted will be enough?

Presumably they will fold regardless of any extra submissions, but just to check it's not a formality or something.

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If you've not received a copy of their Witness Statement by 18th December, remind me here to prepare a suitable WS for you to submit on the 19th.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain