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Hi Guys
I have received Private parking charge notice ticket today on windscreen at Dockside Rd Car Park.

Is there any chance of appeal, as I don’t know if he has seen the signs or not, these younger generation rushing.

It says reason parked without displaying a valid permit and parked without making a valid payment.

https://imgur.com/a/r0i57Sj

The parking company manages it is PPM private parking management.

https://privateparkingmanagement.com/

Your help and replies will be much appreciated

https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.5083,0.041508,242.77h,-10.04p,0.13z,sov4SFEykp2qUn4bjU54Aw

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Re: Dockside Rd Car Park. PPM private parking management. reason parked without displaying a valid permit a
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Quote from: cyril on April 20, 2024, 05:36:46 pm

I have received Private parking charge notice ticket today . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . .  I don’t know if he has seen the signs or not,            . . . . . . . . . .

This is not making a lot of sense.

Please explain who "HE" is
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Thank you for your reply.

It is the person I know who parked there and he forgot to buy the ticket.
 
This is first time I saw it on street view and there were signs displayed pay on display, which I asked him the question why did you not buy the ticket and he just rushing and forgot.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2024, 10:57:51 am by cyril »
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Re: Dockside Rd Car Park. PPM private parking management. reason parked without displaying a valid permit a
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Do you have any connection to the vehicle at all?
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Thank you for reply.

I don’t have any connection to the car, I only know the person and trying help him out with this parking ticket, as he knows I had in past bus lane fine and helping others through this forum and other Pepipoo forum.
so he contacted me to see if I can help in anyway.

So I told him I will write to these guys and see what they say.

Thanks Again.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2024, 02:08:47 pm by cyril »
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It might be better if the keeper of the car posts himself, or it can turn to Chinese whispers.

We'll ideally need to see photos of the signage at the site.
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Well I certainly can’t read those contractual signs at all.

If you can then please type them up in full, or perhaps get actually useable photos?

Also the signs at the machine aren’t really applicable, it’s what could be seen from where the driver parked and where there to be read.
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Please see below link I hope it is readable

https://imgur.com/a/tKM3EXU
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And were the signs ‘there to be seen’ by someone parking and leaving?
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I have just checked the Street view again and i can see lot of signs in the carpark, but he must of went Saturday so may be busy i don't know.

He just forgot to pay and he had the windscreen ticket already on his car windscreen.
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This is the response he got the registered keeper as he gave the driver details and the below response he got.

Is there anything he needs to do or just wait for debt recovery and pass the driver details or appeal on behalf of the driver, as mentioned below.

Thank you.

Thank you for your online email submission, dated 25.04.2024, in respect of the above PCN.
 
At this stage in the process we are unable to effect a transfer of liability on the PCN as we are not in possession of the vehicle's registered keeper's details.
 
An application for the vehicle's registered keeper's details will not be made until the unpaid PCN has been passed along to our appointed debt collection agency, who then contact the DVLA and commence debt recovery action.  It is at this stage that a transfer of liability can be requested (within 28 days of the first debt recovery letter), although the PCN will have incurred additional debt recovery costs.
 
If you wish to make an appeal against the PCN on behalf of the driver, please respond by return of this email - stating your reasons for appealing - within the next FIVE days.
 
We confirm that whilst we are awaiting your response the Parking Charge Notice is put on hold at the amount it was at when your email was received.
 
Regards,
 
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IMO, strictly speaking the PCN Notice to Driver does not meet the conditions specified in paras. 7(2)(b) and 7(2)(c) and therefore para. 6(1)(a) and thereby para. 4(2)(a) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

Consequently, the creditor does not have 'the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.'.

The reason for non-compliance of the PCN with mandatory requirements is that it does NOT specify the time period for payment of the parking charge because it gives two different periods. The first, on the front of the PCN, states:

A PARKING CHARGE IS DUE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE ISSUE DATE,

whereas the first para. on the rear states:

PAYMENT - the driver of this vehicle must pay the parking charge of £100 within a 28-day period, starting on the date of this notice.

'Within 28 days of the issue date' does not carry the same meaning as 'within a 28-day period starting on the date of this notice'. The former gives an extra day.

As I understand it, unless stated to the contrary the meaning of 'within 28 days of X date' excludes that date. I believe there is case law to this effect.

Failure to comply with the above conditions provides grounds for the registered keeper to appeal successfully.

In my opinion.

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Can we please clarify from your previous post exactly what's happened so far. I think I know what's happened but it isn't entirely clear. Is this the case:

  • The driver received a parking charge notice on the car windscreen
  • Rather than deal with this notice themselves, they gave it to the Registered Keeper of the vehicle
  • The registered keeper responded to the notice directly, apparently providing the name and address of the driver*
  • The keeper received the response outlined in your previous post

*What exactly did the keeper send to PPM? Exact wording if possible, not a summary.
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Thank you for your reply.

This what the registered Keeper sent,

Now the parking company said need to wait for Debt recovery if the fine is not paid, as they need to contact Dvla for registered keeper details , but he has already confirmed he is the registered keeper and also provided the driver details and service address.




Tuesday  23rd April 2024



Private Parking Management
88 Dorset House
Duke Street.
Chelmsford,
Essex,
CM1 1TB .


Dear Sir or Madam,

Parking Charge Notice number: 105780xx
Vehicle registration number: xxxxxxx

I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle.

I am taking this opportunity to notify you of the driver at the time of the alleged incident.

Driver Name: xxxxxx xxxxx


Serviceable address:

Xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx
Xxxxxx

Xxx xxx

You now have full details of the driver and condition 5 (1) (b) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is no longer true and the keeper cannot be held liable for the actions of the driver.

There is no time limit to provide this information, bar the commencement of legal procedures.

As there is now no keeper liability I do not expect to hear from you or your agents again other than to confirm there will be no further action against me on this matter.

Yours Faithfully


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