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hi thanks every1, im a first time forum user, I have tried to gather as much knowledge as possible so thanks to the forum, it has helped me to do a aos extension on the last day!, so I now have 14 days to file a defence, ive looked through the forum with loads of defences but not sure of they apply to me.

quick brief the driver who was not me, (I am registered keeper) was stuck in a private industrial estate in north east London as the road was blocked with traffic due to some event, long story short received an (invoice for alleged breach of contract!) from close unit protection services ltd. t/a cup enforcement last year, I appealed directly with them I wasn't driving, car was not unattended, signs were not clear, fee was excessive, have not entered in to contract .
they never replied to  the appeal n just kept hounding, eventually I gave them the drivers name and address and said you can pursue her if you wish.

I have received a claim form for which luckily I replied to with an ackonwlegment of service (today was the 14th day including the extra 5th) so now have 13 days left to file a defence and need some help.

particulars of claim are as follows ( I'm hoping they have not given as much details in this regarding the contract but it does say the date and address) also they have pursued me as the driver when I clearly told them I am not!!! so most the defences online ive found are mainly to say the poc isn't sufficient.... can some 1 help me add the fact that I wasn't even the driver and that I had appealed twice and eventually furnished the details of the actual driver who should be pursued??? I note that DCB have still pursued to hearing and that some cases have not been struck off with the pic 16.4 rule... fellow forum members?  any advice appreciated or draft appreciated.

Particulars of Claim
1. The Defendant (D) is indebted to the Claimant (C) for a Parking Charge(s) issued to vehicle F4HED at ELEY Estate, London, N18
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2. The PCN(s) were issued on 09/04/2024
3. The defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle for breach of the terms on the signs (the contract). Reason:Parked On Or Within A NO Parking Area
4. In the alternative the defendant is pursued as the keeper pursuant to POFA 2012, Schedule 4
AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS
1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages.
2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £.02 until judgment or sooner payment.
3. Costs and court fees

Amount claimed
172.32
Court fee
35.00
Legal representative's costs
50.00
Total amount
257.32


thanks for any1 that can help me

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Repost the N1SDT Claim Form and ONLY redact your personal details, the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave EVERYTHING else visible, including the name of the claimant and DCB Legals details showing, especially ALL dates!!!!

As you will have seen if you have done your research, every request for assistance in a claim has the defendants Claim Form showing the detail we need to see in order to be able to assist.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2025, 12:11:45 pm by b789 »
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Sorry I’ve ammended the claim form now apologies

With an issue date of 12th March, you had until 4pm on Monday 31st March to submit your defence. If you have submitted an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you then have until 4pm on Monday 14th April to submit your defence.

If you have not submitted an AoS you are in grave danger of receiving a CCJ by default. You may be lucky and you can check your MCOL history to see whether a default CCJ has already been issued. If it has, game over and you can pay the CCJ amount within 30 days and it will be expunged from your credit file. If you don't, it will remain on your credit file for 6 years causing untold financial pain.

If a CCJ has not been issued yet, follow these instructions without delay and submit your defence immediately and then go buy a lottery ticket as your luck is in at the moment:

Here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Close Unit Protection Services Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Close Unit Protection Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

HIb789

thank you so much for this, I called the court this morning regarding the deadline, and was advised if the system is allowing you to submit the AOS, then go ahead and do that, and they kind of explained that its a race if the claimant hasn't applied for the ccj, which they had not as it was still 9am-10am, so I did proceed to fill out ads, which did update on the system, although yes the final response date should have been yesterday, never the less I have also emailed in with the defence and order in a single pdf now.

do I still need to log in to file a defence online through there portal, or the email is sufficient?

and also the basis of to being thrown out is to do with the poc, if it goes to court will I have a chance to tell the court I appealed it and furnished details of the driver so liability should have been moved over anyway???? or should that have been in our defence?

thanks

No. You do not use the MCOL defence form at all. Do not even put a full stop or a comma in there as that would be the sum total of your defence. As long as your email with the attached defence was submitted before 4pm today, it will be received to day and logged tomorrow and then it is too late for the claimant to get a default CCJ.

As for the defence, do not change anything. It will never get as far as a hearing and it will be discontinued a few months down the line before DCB Legal has to pay the hearing fee.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

GOT IT, EMAIL HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT. THANKYOU FOR ALL YOUR KIND HELP AND RESPONCES TODAY, YOU HAVE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND ARE. MAKING A DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLES LIVES HELPING FIGHT OFF THESE SCUMBAGS AND CROOKS, FINGERS CROSSED WE MOVE TRHOUGH THE NEXT STEPS IN THE SAME EASE.

hi the defence is still not showing on the mcil which was emailed In, I did get an automated reposnce about taking 10days, but was under the impression to check back the next day and it show in the history, is this normal or should di call the court or resend them email?

You could call them and verify that they have received it. The acknowledgement email should be enough too show that you did send something at the time. Did you CC in yourself when you sent it? If so, you should have received a copy of what you sent to the CNBC and the email headers will who that it was sent to them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

yes I ccd myself, and have received it swell as the notification ill call the court and let you know

hi guys so just to give an update in this, dcb legal decided to proceed with the claim, and sent which the court has made me aware as well as them via email.

my mcol shows the following in updates:
Case Stay Lifted on 16/05/2025
DQ sent to you on 16/05/2025
DQ filed by claimant on 16/05/2025

I have also received the N180 dq,

to which reading off the forum and other members posts, I have now replied to,
I have downloaded a form, and emailed the cnb and the dub legal,
I have agreed to mediation and asked for a face to face hearing.

I assume the next steps will now be the mediation call to which I will offer zero.
followed by me eventually submitting my defence... my question is will it the same defence I submitted the first time or will it be amended now... I may need help at that stage. thanks


You have already submitted your defence.

The case will be allocated to your local court per the N180 you submitted.

DCB Legal will withdraw from the prosecution in due course, but if they don’t then you’ll be requested to file an optional Witness Statement in due course. Usually the case is cancelled by DCB Legal before this point.

After the case is transferred to your local county court, a judge will issue orders with a hearing date, a deadline for the claimant to pay the trial fee and a deadline for the parties to submit their WS.

DCB Legal will discontinue just before they have to pay the trial fee, which is usually about a month before the hearing date.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

DCB Legal will withdraw from the prosecution in due course
Nobody is being prosecuted, thankfully

DCB Legal will withdraw from the prosecution in due course
Nobody is being prosecuted, thankfully
No, I knew they were the wrong words …. DCB Legal will discontinue is what I meant of course….