Author Topic: Civil Enforcement Ltd - N1SDT Claim form recieved for PCN isssued for Swanley Park parking in New Barn Rd  (Read 44249 times)

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As noted, DCB Legal aren't the types who tend to follow through to a hearing, so a lack of response to a Letter of Claim is unlikely to affect the process in the slightest.

Speaking more broadly about court claims in general... It's generally advisable to respond to Letters of Claim, and indeed as the PAP says, courts expect parties to have taken steps to resolve the dispute before proceedings. If one has already done this in the form of, for example, an appeal to the parking operator, POPLA or the IAS, then it could be argued that one has already sought to resolve the dispute, but there'd be little harm in reiterating the argument in response to the LoC. If one had not appealed at all, and then ignored a Letter of Claim, if it did go through to a hearing, a judge may take a dim view of this, but even then, it ought not to swing the outcome of the case overall.

Phew!! Now that's a huge relief. For a moment there, I thought I might have handed them a technical KO.

@ DWMB2 - Here's a quote from my 'reboot' post after Pepipoo went AWOL:

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6. The driver MISLAID the PCN and her POPLA apppeal code with it.
7. The PPC point blank refused to disclose it/issue a copy of the PCN.
8. PCN eventually found, but too late. The appeal period had elapsed.

My 'client' is at least partly to blame. She's a scatterbrain who can lose an elephant in a closet. Sorry, but that's the hand that I (and by extension you too) have been dealt with.

She's a scatterbrain who can lose an elephant in a closet. Sorry, but that's the hand that I (and by extension you too) have been dealt with.
You may wish to impress upon her the importance of this matter. Whilst a discontinuation is very likely if she carries on with the process, she should continue to meet any and all deadlines before such time as they do actually discontinue, and deal with any paperwork promptly.

Preaching to the choir mate. You don't think I've tried? I've given the court my contact details so they can send any comms directly to me.

Only DCBL are still writing to her. I'm not too fussed about that. I get their Sabre-rattling missives - eventually, but since their deadlines are inconsequential, their threats don't faze me in the least.

Meantime, I'm about to file her Directions Questionnaire online. I might as well preempt the court's next step.

Don’t submit the DQ until your MCOL history shows that they have issued yours. They don’t like receiving them before they’re ready for it.

Continue to ignore DCBL. You only need to deal with DCB Legal correspondence unless it’s an offer to settle, in which case ignore that too. They’ll discontinue eventually.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Lucky for me you mentioned that. I had no idea it was all done thru my MCOL A/c. Just checked it, only to discover that they ostensibly sent me a DQ on 5th Nov!!:

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Claim History
Your defence was received on 03/10/2024

DQ sent to you on 05/11/2024

DQ filed by claimant on 05/11/2024


I've received nothing - either by post, email or MCOL attachment for d/load. I'm not taking any chances at this stage of the proceedings. That DQ is going to be filed online today. Just hope I haven't already missed the deadline for it.

Not sure how to answer this question:

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D. Suitability for determination without a hearing
D1 Do you consider that this claim is suitable for determination without a hearing, such as; by a judge reading and considering the case papers, witness statements and other documents filed by the parties, making a decision, and giving a note of reasons for that decision?

If I answer NO, I'm required to state why.

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You should note the date by which this questionnaire must be returned and the name of the court it should be returned to since this may be different from the court where the proceedings were issued.

Since I've received no info or instructions about this from the CNBC, how do I find out where to send it?

You do not want a claim to be heard on papers. Just put this as your reason:

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I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.

Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.

The DQ is expected to be returned within 14 days of service. As it was issued on 5th November, it is deemed served on Monday 11th November which means you have until Monday 25th November to submit it. Stop panicking and rushing!

When you've completed your N180DQ, you need to send it as a PDF attachment in a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Well, that's a bit of a bummer:

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Dear Sir/Madam,
 
Thank you for your email which is being returned as we are unable to accept submission for this claim from you as a third party. After further investigation I note that you also completed the defence received for this claim which is also invalid.
 
The court service is only able to accept submissions from the named defendant or a solicitor acting on their behalf. Please ensure that any further submission is signed by the named party.
 
Please be advised that to become a litigation friend you need to obtain authorisation from a Local Court and this authorisation must be enclosed with your response. You are advised to seek legal advice regarding this matter.
 
Please return your Defence and Directions Questionnaire signed by the correct party by22nd November 2024 or your Defence could be struck out.  The Claimant would then be at liberty to enter Judgment against you.

Kind Regards

M. Cuteanu

N9’s and Direction Questionnaires
 
Civil National Business Centre
St Katherine's House
21-27 St Katherine's Street
Northampton
NN1 2LH

So if the defendant resubmits everything in her name and with her details, we avoid losing on a technicality, right?

Alternatively, is that enough time to obtain the necessary authorisation from my local court? I've tried 'phoning them before, and after around half an hr of hanging on, finally gave up. Doesn't bode well for a quick response from them.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2024, 10:48:57 am by Eryobotrya »

Yes - she's the person being sued so she's the one who needs to be signing paperwork etc.

I had been working on the assumption that things were being submitted in the defendant's name already. There is no "we" in these matters.

And I was working on the assumption that I was allowed to sign on her behalf as her 'McKenzie Friend'. This issue did not arise when I signed on her behalf in her fight against PPL-PRS Ltd - which she won, btw.

You are dealing with the court. A McKenzie Friend has no right to act on behalf of a Litigant in Person (LiP). He may not act as the LIP’s agent in relation to the proceedings nor manage the case outside court, for example, by signing court documents.
 
A McKenzie Friend is not entitled to address the court, nor examine any witnesses. However, in exceptional circumstances, a judge may grant a McKenzie Friend what is termed “right of audience” in a particular case. The McKenzie Friend would then be allowed to address the court and conduct the litigant’s case for him, as a solicitor or barrister would normally do. Do you have this permission from the court?

You cannot act as the litigants’ agent in relation to the proceedings. You cannot manage litigants’ cases outside court, for example by signing court documents. You cannot address the court, make oral submissions or examine witnesses.

Whatever happened when you dealt with a previous PCN, it is irrelevant to this case. You did not inform us that you were acting on behalf of someone else. You can do all the work but everything must be in the defendants name. You obviously have not done that.

Because of this, the claim now stands undefended and the defence MUST be re-submitted immediately in the defendants name. There is a huge risk of the defendant getting CCJ by default because of this error. Simply edit the defence to reflect the defendants name and signature and resubmit it by email as previously advised. The CNBC have thrown a lifeline by giving the defendant until the 22nd November to re-submit the defence and the DQ.

I suggest this is done immediately.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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All done.

OK, you've told me what I cannot do as the defendant's McKenzie friend. Now tell me what I can do. The defendant has received notification from SCMS of her appt for their mediation tel/call. Included in the notification is an attachment of form EX750 - Delegation of Authority to Mediate.

Quite simply, can she delegate that authority to me?