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Re: CAR TOWED on private land 7 DAY TORT NOTICE
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FWIM, I don't see how it can be 'theft' because the person who has possession does not intend to permanently deprive the owner of their goods* but rather to release on payment of the stated sum. IMO, it's certainly a crime(bp listed several possibilities), but not theft.

I hope the OP has secured legal advice.

*- interestingly, the 'Torts' notice made no reference to a release fee, but to removal and scrapping(OP, this word is blurred, is it scrapping?) but the second notice does.

Permanent removal of the vehicle is definitely mentioned in the various notices served at the scene - either selling or destroying the vehicle is permanently depriving the owner of its use?
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Re: CAR TOWED on private land 7 DAY TORT NOTICE
« Reply #31 on: »
Send the following response to LME immediately:

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Subject: Immediate Return of Stolen Vehicle – Further Action Imminent

LME Services,

Your latest email confirms beyond any doubt that you have unlawfully seized my vehicle and are now attempting to justify it with a completely fabricated interpretation of the Torts Act. Let me be absolutely clear: everything you have done is illegal, and you are now in very serious trouble.

You have admitted in writing that you removed my vehicle without a warrant, without any judgment, and without any lawful enforcement authority. Your claim that the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 gives you power to seize goods is false. It is a blatant misrepresentation of the law and will be used as evidence of deliberate wrongdoing.

You also describe yourselves as “involuntary bailees”, which is an admission that you took possession of the vehicle without lawful authority. That is not bailment – it is conversion. It is an unlawful interference with goods. It is also a criminal offence under section 54 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The police have already accepted this and issued a crime reference number.

In addition, I have checked the enforcement agent register. Mr K. Ebrahim is certificated by Hertford County Court only in connection with his employment for Newlyn Plc. He is not authorised to carry out enforcement action for LME Services Ltd. Even if he were, he cannot lawfully seize any goods without a warrant of control — which does not exist. Acting outside the scope of his certificate is professional misconduct and I am now reporting him to Hertford County Court for abuse of his position.

Your claim that you can demand a “Removal Truck Fee” is absurd. You created that alleged charge by committing the unlawful act yourselves. Offering a “Christmas reduction” from £5,325 to £575 only proves you know you have been caught and are scrambling to minimise the consequences.

Here is what is going to happen:

1. You will immediately confirm the exact location of my vehicle.
2. You will immediately confirm that it will not be sold, damaged, or interfered with.
3. You will immediately return the vehicle to me.
4. You will cover the cost of returning it.

If you insist on demanding £575, understand that I regard that demand as further unlawful coercion. Because I require the vehicle for work, I may pay the £575 strictly under protest, solely to recover my property and mitigate loss. That payment will be used as further evidence of your illegal activities and will be recovered in full through the courts along with damages and costs.

If the vehicle is not returned immediately and in full, intact condition, I will:

– issue a County Court claim without further notice;
– seek an injunction and full damages;
– escalate my criminal complaint; and
– pursue all regulatory bodies involved.

You are now on notice. I expect a response today.

[Name]
[Address]
[Contact details]
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« Reply #32 on: »
Perhaps the oldest legal adage (other than the potentially more aposite "possession is nine tenths of the law") is that you "cannot sue a straw man".

Apart from the apparent strength of your case, the other relevant question is the likelihood of the defendant either satisfying the judgment, or failing that having goods that can readily be seized and sold in order to satisfy the judgment.

Vicarious experience tells us that there is little point in suing a common or garden knuckle dragging clamper. Are any of the parties potentially in the cross-hairs vulnerable to having a CCJ against them?

N.B. Quite farcically, as regards self-help by removing an unlawfully applied wheel-clamp by cutting off the padlock, the Court of Appeal decided that the proper course of action would be to pay under protest and sue the clampers to get the money back. If I was ever involved in a case where that came up, my opening gambit would be to ask if anyone intended to pretend that that was in any way good law. That said, my track record in private parking cases is arguably the worst in history.
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A person on whose land a trespassing vehicle is parked is an involuntary bailee. In that context possession/control can be considered to be either passive or active.

The fact that they immobilised and removed the OP's vehicle is far stronger evidence that they took possession (active) than some (IMHO) misguided nuance in a legal term. Never give a mendacious party anything they can turn into a smokescreen.
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You should also start the process of getting their supposed "enforcement agent", Khoshal Ebrahim sanctioned. In practice, complaints about a certificated enforcement agent go back to the County Court that issued the certificate – in this case Hertford County Court. The judge who granted or last renewed the certificate has power to suspend or revoke it if the agent is unfit or has abused their powers.

Here is what you should do, step by step.

1. Gather the key information

You need to have all of this ready:

– Full name of the enforcement agent: “Khoshal Ebrahim” (as per the register).
– Certificate details: certificated by Hertford County Court, valid from 16/04/2025 to 15/04/2027, employed by Newlyn Plc.
– Evidence of misconduct:
• Photos of the clamp and tow.
• Copies of the 7 Day Tort Notice, Warning of Immobilisation, Notice that Goods Have Been Secured, etc.
• LME’s emails admitting reliance on the Torts Act as “lawful authority” and offering the “Christmas” reduction to £575.
• Any correspondence notices showing he acted for LME Services, not Newlyn.
• The crime reference number and a short note of the police accepting that an offence has been committed.

2. How to send the complaint

Complaints are made by written application to the court that issued the certificate. There isn’t a fancy form
– you write a witness statement or detailed letter and send it to “The Manager” or “The District Judge” at Hertford County Court, clearly marked as:

“Complaint regarding certificated enforcement agent – Mr Khoshal Ebrahim”

You send it by post (first class and a free Proof of Posting certificate form any post office) to PO Box 373, Hertford SG13 9HT and ideally also by email to enquiries.hertford.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CC hello@lmeservicesltd.co.uk, contact@newlynplc.co.uk and yourself.

3. What to say – structure of the complaint

The complaint should:

– Identify the enforcement agent and certificate.
– Explain who you are and your connection to the case.
– Set out the facts clearly and chronologically.
– Explain why his conduct is a misuse/abuse of his certificate and contrary to the Taking Control of Goods regime.
– Ask the court to list the matter for a hearing to consider suspension or revocation of his certificate.

Here is a draft you can adapt:

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For the attention of:
The District Judge/Court Manager
Hertford County Court
Shire Hall
Fore Street
Hertford
SG14 1DF

Complaint regarding certificated enforcement agent – Mr Khoshal Ebrahim

I, [full name], of [address], make this complaint regarding the conduct of Mr Khoshal Ebrahim, a certificated enforcement agent whose details appear on the Certificated Enforcement Agent Register as follows:

– Name: Khoshal Ebrahim
– Court of certification: Hertford County Court
– Certificate period: 16 April 2025 to 15 April 2027
– Employer: Newlyn Plc

I understand that Hertford County Court has power to suspend or revoke his certificate if satisfied that he is not a fit and proper person to hold one or has abused his position. I respectfully submit that his recent conduct demonstrates serious misuse of his certificate and unlawful enforcement behaviour.

Background

1. I am the owner and keeper of a BMW 530e motor car, registration [VRM].

2. Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd (“PPS”) has issued a number of disputed Parking Charge Notices in respect of the vehicle. No County Court claim has been issued, no judgment obtained and no warrant of control has been granted in respect of these PCNs.

3. On 5 December 2025 my vehicle was clamped and then removed from the private access road at Thames City, Carnation Way, London SW8 5GZ by an operative of LME Services Ltd (“LME”). The clamp was applied and the removal carried out in the presence of Metropolitan Police officers. I attach photographs.

4. A “Warning of Immobilisation” notice dated 05/12/2025 was placed on the vehicle, giving the company name LME Services Ltd and naming the person involved as “K. Ebrahim” described as an “Enforcement Agent”. This notice stated that the vehicle was immobilised because it was “trespassing and/or abandoned on private land”. I attach a copy.

5. A further document entitled “Notice that Goods Have Been Secured and Notice of Intention to Sell Goods” purporting to rely on section 12 of the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 was left. It demanded a “release fee” of £5,325 (broken down as 29 private parking charges plus a “removal truck fee”) and £40 per day storage, and threatened that my vehicle would be sold after three months. I attach a copy.

6. At no time have I been provided with any County Court or High Court claim number, judgment, warrant of control, writ of control or any other enforcement authority. No such warrant exists. The seizure was not carried out pursuant to any court order.

7. Following complaints, LME have now written to me admitting that they rely entirely on the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 as their “lawful authority” to remove vehicles, and offering to return my vehicle on payment of a “keyless removal truck fee” of £575 “in the spirit of Christmas”. They no longer seek to enforce the alleged parking charges. I attach a copy of their email.

8. I have separately confirmed via the Certificated Enforcement Agent Register that Mr Khoshal Ebrahim is certificated by Hertford County Court only in connection with his employment with Newlyn Plc for the period 16 April 2025 to 15 April 2027. LME Services Ltd is a different company and there is no suggestion that Newlyn Plc is involved in this matter.

Misconduct

9. On the above facts, I say that:

a) Mr Ebrahim has held himself out as an “Enforcement Agent” enforcing alleged debts when there is no judgment and no warrant of control. He has therefore used his certificated status to give a false impression of enforcement powers he does not possess.

b) He has purported to exercise powers of taking control of goods and removing goods in the complete absence of any lawful authority under the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 and its Regulations.

c) He has relied on the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 as if it provided him with a power to seize goods, which it plainly does not. The Act deals with disposal of goods already in a bailee’s lawful possession and does not override section 54 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (which criminalises clamping and towing on private land without lawful authority).

d) He appears to have carried out enforcement activity on behalf of LME Services Ltd, a company other than his certificated employer Newlyn Plc. If that is correct, he has acted outside the scope of the employment for which his certificate was granted.

e) His actions have resulted in the unlawful immobilisation, removal and detention of my vehicle and a continuing demand for payment as a condition of its return.

10. I have reported the matter to the Metropolitan Police. They have accepted that a criminal offence has been committed and have issued a crime reference number: [crime ref]. The police are investigating offences including unlawful immobilisation/removal of a motor vehicle on private land and theft of a motor vehicle.

Outcome sought

11. In the circumstances, I respectfully request that Hertford County Court lists this complaint for consideration by a District Judge with a view to:

a) Investigating the conduct of Mr Khoshal Ebrahim as set out above; and

b) Suspending and/or revoking his enforcement agent’s certificate on the basis that he has abused his position and is not a fit and proper person to hold a certificate.

12. I am willing to attend a hearing and give evidence, and I can provide any further documents the court may require. I would be grateful if the court would acknowledge receipt of this complaint and inform me of the next steps.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this complaint and the attached documents are true.

Signed: [full name]
Dated: [date]

– Attach copies of all relevant documents, paginated.
– Keep the tone firm but measured – you are helping the judge, not ranting.
– Send a copy of the complaint to LME and to Mr Ebrahim (care of Newlyn Plc) after filing, so nobody can say they were ambushed.
– Keep proof of postage and any email acknowledgements from the court.

That is the process. Once the complaint is lodged, it is up to the Hertford DJ to decide whether to list a hearing. The fact pattern here is strong enough that the court is likely to take it seriously.
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Re: CAR TOWED on private land 7 DAY TORT NOTICE
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A person on whose land a trespassing vehicle is parked is an involuntary bailee.
@Andy, does the act allow for trespass as opposed to abandonment?
in the act of trespass is there a recognised time scale for the goods (vehicle) to be occupying the property before the involuntary  bailee can issue a tort notice?
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Given the developing situation with regard to Mr Khoshal Ebrahim's true legal position, the OP should update the crime reference log at Met Police so they are aware of the circumstances which led to their officers being taken advantage of.

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A person on whose land a trespassing vehicle is parked is an involuntary bailee.
@Andy, does the act allow for trespass as opposed to abandonment?
in the act of trespass is there a recognised time scale for the goods (vehicle) to be occupying the property before the involuntary  bailee can issue a tort notice?

A landowner or occupier becomes an involuntary bailee when someone else’s goods are left on their land without permission, including a vehicle parked in trespass. That simply means they must take reasonable care of the goods while they remain there. It does not give them any power to seize, immobilise, tow, detain or sell the goods. Trespass does not turn into abandonment, and a vehicle that is taxed, insured, maintained and in regular use is never abandoned in law. Abandonment requires a clear intention by the owner to permanently give up all rights in the property, which courts are extremely reluctant to infer.

The Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 does not create any powers to deal with trespass. It only sets out procedures that apply when someone is already in lawful possession of goods. Trespass does not create lawful possession. Immobilising and towing a vehicle may show factual possession, but it does not magically convert unlawful possession into lawful possession for the purposes of the Act. You cannot seize goods unlawfully and then rely on the Act to justify disposal. The Act only applies to goods that were lawfully acquired or genuinely abandoned and left uncollected after proper notice. It cannot be used to enforce private parking charges or to punish trespass.

There is no statutory time period for how long goods must be on land before a tort notice can be issued. But that does not help LME because the starting point is that the Act cannot be used at all unless the bailee already has lawful possession. A trespassing vehicle does not give the landowner lawful possession for the purposes of the Act, and seizing the vehicle to create possession is itself unlawful. Therefore the entire tort notice process fails at the first step.

Overall, LME’s argument that the Torts Act allowed them to clamp and tow a trespassing vehicle is legally hopeless. Trespass does not amount to abandonment. Trespass does not authorise seizure. Trespass does not give lawful possession. And the Act does not create any enforcement power. Their use of immobilisation and towing is unlawful regardless of any supposed nuances about involuntary bailment.
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« Reply #38 on: »
I replied to LME Services using what you said b789 and here is their reply:

Dear Mr

Conversion is when the involuntary bailee uses the goods for their own use, this is clearly not the case.
We have also notified the Police of its removal and the reason why.

The offer still stands as we are closing this week for the holidays.

To arrange release of your goods, please call: 0208 248 0063

I have now instructed Jackson Yamba to initiate proceedings.
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Their reply is legally illiterate and actually helps you.

First, their definition of conversion is simply wrong. Conversion is not limited to “using the goods for their own use”. It covers any deliberate dealing with someone else’s goods that is inconsistent with the owner’s rights, including seizing, detaining, withholding, moving, or disposing of them. Clamping your car, towing it away, refusing to return it unless you pay, and threatening sale are all classic examples of conversion. They have openly admitted doing exactly that.

Second, saying “we have notified the Police of its removal and the reason why” is meaningless. The police already know it was removed; you have a crime reference number and the Met has accepted that an offence has been committed. Telling the police “we removed it because of the Torts Act” just puts their bogus legal justification on record as evidence against them. It does not cure the lack of lawful authority, it just hardens the proof that they have none.

Third, the “we are closing this week for the holidays” and “the offer still stands” line is nothing more than pressure. It confirms that this is a ransom demand. They are trying to leverage the holiday period and your need for the car to force payment. That will look very bad in front of any judge.

The important thing now is that you have instructed Jackson Yamba. That is absolutely the right move. From this point:

– Let Jackson take the lead on all contact with LME, PPS and the landowner.
– Do not call their number. Keep everything in writing and let your legal representative handle it.
– Preserve all emails and notices; they are excellent evidence of deliberate unlawful interference and a complete misunderstanding (or misrepresentation) of the law.

In short, their latest response doesn’t weaken your case in any way. It reinforces that they do not understand conversion, have no lawful authority, and are relying on an obviously wrong reading of the Torts Act. Have you informed Jackson of this response?
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"Feel free to close for Christmas. If my car is not back on my drive by 12 noon tomorrow then I will be hiring an equivalent vehicle cost of which I will shall recovering from yourselves (rough cost £400 per day). So feel free to take a few weeks off and enjoy the holiday's"  :)  :)  :)

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"Feel free to close for Christmas. If my car is not back on my drive by 12 noon tomorrow then I will be hiring an equivalent vehicle cost of which I will shall recovering from yourselves (rough cost £400 per day). So feel free to take a few weeks off and enjoy the holiday's"  :)  :)  :)
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Whilst I'm working on the assumption that this is a joke, for obvious reasons please don't actually respond with that.
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Re: CAR TOWED on private land 7 DAY TORT NOTICE
« Reply #43 on: »
An injured party is expected to take reasonable steps to minimise his losses (that he is seeking to recover).

In particular, an injured party cannot expect to recover extortionate hire car charges if he could reasonably have minimised that loss by buying and subsequently selling an alternative vehicle - exception being impecuniosity - if he lacks the means to do so, and if hiring an extortionately expensive car is the only way to do what he reasonably needs to do, then so be it.

Put simply, would a reasonable person (ignoring the unreasonable behaviour of the other party) have done so if he were not intending to recover the cost from the other party? That said, nobody would expect you to walk barefoot to avoid incurring consequential losses that you expect to recover.
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Any response should now come from Jackson, although you can suggest to him that he should warn them of any additional financial consequences they risk by not complying with a reasonable request, such as obtaining equivalent replacement transport until your property is returned.

What you can do is send him a short instruction along these lines:

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Hi Jackson,

Just to update you, LME have now replied again. They maintain that there is no conversion and repeat their offer to release the car for £575 as they are ‘closing for the holidays’. I have attached their latest email.

Given my reliance on the car for daily use and work, I would like any further response from you to make it absolutely clear that:

1. Their continued refusal to return the vehicle unconditionally is causing ongoing loss, and
2. I will be seeking recovery not only of any sum I am forced to pay to get the car back, but also all consequential losses – including the cost of any equivalent replacement transport (hire car, taxis, etc.) that I reasonably have to incur while my car is withheld.

In other words, they have now been warned that every extra day they sit on my car increases their financial exposure. If you think it appropriate, please spell this out in your next email/letter, so there can be no doubt that they are on notice of the additional damages they are inviting.

Thank you, and I will follow your lead on all further communications with LME, PPS and the landowner.

That puts Jackson on clear notice of what you want him to press as additional financial consequences, without you writing directly to LME.
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