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The driver received a Car Park Penalty in the classic yellow Penalty Charge Notice bags left on the windscreen after they parked on the end of the parking bays So they had a white line to the left but no white line to the right. Not blocking any entrances etc. Is this enforceable?

I know technically it is but I often hear about it not being worth it to pursue these types of charges. It is at a merseyrail station car park. The driver is thinking of appealing to see if they can get it removed in the first instance. They want appeals sent to enforcementqueries@merseyrail.org. The notice says the driver violated section 14 of the byelaws as the vehicle was parked in a manner that violated them.

If this is appealed, does it pause the clock on the reduced charge if you pay early, so if they do decline the appeal after say 1 month, can the driver still pay the reduced amount?

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Re: Car Park Penalty- MerseyRail - Lancashire - Parking outside of a bay
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Please show us what you have received - the Merseyrail ones may be criminal rather than private as I think they issue the notices themselves.

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I have added links to the notice in the original post

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You are the Registered Keeper. This is a Penalty Notice issued under Merseyrail Byelaws, not a civil Parking Charge Notice. If Merseyrail want to enforce it, they must prosecute in the magistrates’ court within six months and prove the offence beyond reasonable doubt, much higher bar for them to cross than if they were to try a civil claim in the county court where the standard of proof is only on the balance of probability.

Do NOT identify the driver. Being the registered keeper is not proof of ownership or that you were driving. The V5C says it is not proof of ownership. Without driver identification their prospects are weak to nil.

Respond just before the deadline, as Keeper only, denying liability and requiring prosecution if they believe an offence occurred. Ask for evidence. Keep proof of sending (are proof of posting from any post office).

The slight risk is that they could try and prosecute. If they do, you would defend by putting them to strict proof of driver identity and of the alleged breach. Do not make any admission.

For now, take and keep photos of the bay markings and all signage. Keep copies of all correspondence and dates. If they threaten civil recovery or use debt collectors, write back stating this is a criminal byelaw matter and they must either prosecute or withdraw.

Use this Keeper letter to send before the deadline:

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Re: Merseyrail Penalty Notice No: [insert PN number]
Station: [insert station]
Date of alleged incident: [insert date]

I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle identified in the above Penalty Notice. I dispute the allegation and do not accept any criminal liability. I am not legally obliged to identify the driver at the material time and I decline to do so.

This is a Penalty Notice alleging a breach of Merseyrail Railway Byelaws (Section 14). If you intend to pursue this matter you must lay an information before a Magistrates’ Court and prosecute. If you do not intend to prosecute, you must withdraw the notice and confirm this in writing.

Please provide the following so that I may understand your position:
1. Full particulars of the alleged offence, including who you allege committed it.
2. Copies of all evidence you intend to rely on, including photographs or CCTV with timestamps and locations.
3. The name and identifier of the issuing officer and any witness statements.
4. Your legal and evidential basis for asserting who the “owner” was at the material time, including any evidence you rely on to equate the owner with the registered keeper, given the V5C explicitly states it is not proof of ownership, and proof of service of any prior notices.

Confirm whether you will be laying an information before the Magistrates’ Court. I require a minimum of 14 days to consider any prosecution papers once provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]
[Postal address]

If prosecution papers arrive, request disclosure promptly and continue to put Merseyrail to strict proof of driver identity and of any instructions that were clearly in force and visible at the time.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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To give you some background to the reason that they are unlikely to prosecute and even if they do, why they have little to no chance of succeeding:

Minor parking was deliberately shifted out of the criminal courts by Parliament in the Road Traffic Act 1991. From 1993, London boroughs and then councils elsewhere began “decriminalised parking enforcement” so routine parking mistakes were handled as civil contraventions, not crimes. By around 1995 this model had spread nationally. The reasons were simple: criminal courts were clogged with trivial parking cases; the criminal standard and procedures were disproportionate for minor infringements; local authorities needed a faster, fairer system focused on compliance not convictions; and appeal rights were set up to be administrative (adjudicators) rather than criminal. That is why today a yellow PCN on-street is civil, with no criminal record, handled by council processes and independent tribunals. The later Traffic Management Act 2004 kept and expanded this civil model.

Against that backdrop, trying to prosecute a trivial “outside the bay line” at a railway car park as a criminal byelaw offence is using the wrong tool. A byelaw prosecution demands proof beyond reasonable doubt and must be laid within six months. If the operator does not know who was driving, they often try to pivot to “owner” liability under byelaw 14(4). But there is no public register of owners and the DVLA V5C explicitly says it is not proof of ownership, so equating keeper with owner is weak. For a nose-over-line case causing no obstruction, the de minimis principle also bites: the law does not concern itself with trifles, and criminal court time is better spent elsewhere.

Policy-wise, the Department for Transport expects routine private parking on railway land to be managed through civil parking charge regimes, not criminal Penalty Notices, precisely to align with the national shift begun by the 1991 Act. Civil routes are proportionate, give proper appeal stages, and avoid branding ordinary motorists as offenders for minor mistakes.

Bottom line: this is a stupid prosecution because it ignores Parliament’s choice in 1991 to decriminalise minor parking, fights the case in the wrong forum with a higher burden of proof, rests on shaky “owner” assumptions, and treats a trivial, de minimis bay encroachment like a crime instead of a civil compliance issue.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Bottom line: this is a stupid prosecution
Merseyrail might not let something like that get in the way  ;D