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Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #15 on: »
Ok so the appeal was rejected - what can i use to show the response as IMGUR no longer available in the UK?

***edit  - think this should work***



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« Last Edit: October 01, 2025, 12:44:00 pm by Jimbob1976 »

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #16 on: »
Off to POPLA it is... I can help draft something but to do so, could you please re-upload the original notices you put up with Imgur? (Sorry I know it's a faff, we didn't anticipate Imgur shutting off UK access)

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #17 on: »
Thanks, they rejected the one back from August so far (see attachments) just waiting to hear re September but likely to be the exact same


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Sounds like they just ignored everything i said?

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #18 on: »
I'd submit this single point POPLA appeal:

Quote
POPLA Verification Code: [POPLA code]
Operator: ANPR365
PCN: [reference]
Site: Lacon Arms Car Park, Hemsby, Sea View Road, Great Yarmouth
Date of alleged contravention: 14/08/2025
Date of Notice to Keeper (NtK): 23/09/2025

I am the registered keeper. I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm and I decline to do so.

Single ground of appeal: NtK not “given” within the relevant period under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)

This was a postal NtK with no Notice to Driver on the vehicle. Therefore, PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9 applies. Paragraph 9(4) requires the NtK to be delivered to the keeper “within the relevant period.” Paragraph 9(5) defines the “relevant period” as 14 days beginning with the day after the specified period of parking. Paragraph 9(6) provides that a notice sent by post is to be presumed “given” on the second working day after posting.

The alleged contravention date was 14/08/2025. The relevant period therefore ran from 15/08/2025 to 28/08/2025 inclusive. The NtK is dated 23/09/2025 and, even giving ANPR365 the benefit of the postal presumption, would be deemed “given” on 25/09/2025 (two working days after posting). That is 28 days after the last day of the relevant period and 42 days after the alleged contravention. Accordingly, the NtK was not “given” within the relevant period and PoFA keeper liability cannot arise.

Driver not identified, so the keeper cannot be pursued
I am the keeper and I have not been identified as the driver. There can be no presumption or inference that the Keeper is the driver. This is confirmed in the persuasive appellate case law in VCS v Edward (2023) where the judge confirmed that without evidence, there can be no inference.

POPLA must allow the appeal on this single ground.

Legal references
PoFA 2012, Schedule 4, paragraphs 9(4), 9(5) and 9(6).
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Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #19 on: »
Thats great, can i just check, do i send this to POPLA via mail or is this best done online? Didnt know if there was a preferred manner.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #20 on: »
Do it online. Choose 'Other' for reason for appeal.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #21 on: »
Thanks, i will do it now.

I will update the second PCN when i recieve the outcome of that one also.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #22 on: »
Hi all,

So the 2nd appeal was also rejected, they state it was issued correctly and for the reasons they maintained originally. Do i appeal to POPLA with the same template as above?

Original letter as below

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Still waiting for POPLA to respond to the first appeal too.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #23 on: »
Yes

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #24 on: »
Arent the date of alledged contravention and the date posted a little tight for that? From the above answers i can see the 14 days runs from day after the event, so 10th, for 14 days taking it to the 24th. It was sent on the 23rd and i know we recieved them on the 26th but do you think its still ok to use that as a defence?

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #25 on: »
+2 days for postage safely takes it out of time for keeper liability.

The math is black and white - it either is or it isn't - there's no grey area.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #26 on: »
Date of event: 9/9
Date of posting: 23/9
Deemed delivered: 25/9

The “deemed” delivery day, 2 business days after posting, is the important one. Yes, it actually arrived a day later, but for the purposes here this is not important.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #27 on: »
Thanks all, will get that sent today.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #28 on: »
Sprry, can i just check i have my dates correct:

The alleged contravention date was 09/09/2025. The relevant period therefore ran from 10/09/2025 to 23/09/2025 inclusive. The NtK is dated 23/09/2025 and, even giving ANPR365 the benefit of the postal presumption, would be deemed “given” on 25/09/2025 (two working days after posting). That is 2 days after the last day of the relevant period and 16 days after the alleged contravention.

Re: ANPR365 PCN – REG NOT ENTERED IN PUB – THE LACONS ARMS HEMSBY
« Reply #29 on: »
See Reply #26 above