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I recently received a debt collector letter through for a parking infringement on the 1st of April this year. I didn't receive the original parking charge correspondences from NCP as my car was registered to a previous address(my own mistake which has now been rectified).

The car park in which was used is Car Park 4, it has 10 minutes free parking to allow drop offs and pick ups. Previously it was ticketed barrier in which you would go to a pay machine to validate/pay your ticket. In April, the system had changed and become automated(the ticket machines are still there, however I'm assuming they've been changed to a enter your reg style  machine), the duration couldn't of been for anything more than 5 minutes as it was a drop off and exit straight away, with the assumption that if there was a need to go to a ticket machine to validate parking, the barrier wouldn't raise. However, the barrier raised, meaning exit straight away, assuming that because this was within the 10 minute window, there was no need to go to a machine.

Having emailed NCP to try and appeal, they're advising me that all correspondence should go to the debt collectors, the debt collectors are sending me to their client.

1.) Do I have valid grounds to appeal this?
2.) What is the best course of action to follow?

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Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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What did you say in your email to NCP? As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.

Hopefully, you did not blab the drivers identity when you contacted NCP. As the location is not relevant land for the purposes of POFA because the airport is land that is under the statutory control of byelaws, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known Keeper.

As it is too late to appeal, you can try and make a formal complaint, which should be accepted as an appeal under the PPSCoP section 11.2. Use the following as your complaint (assuming you didn't blab the drivers identity when you made contact with NCP):

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to submit a formal complaint under Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Sector Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which must also be treated as an appeal against the validity of the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by NCP in relation to Birmingham Airport.

I did not receive the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) as my DVLA keeper details had not yet been updated at the time. However, PPSCoP Clause 11.2 is clear:

"Where a parking operator receives a complaint that it considers to be or include an appeal against the validity of a parking charge, the parking operator must also treat it as an appeal for the purposes of applying the timescales in Clause 8.4..."

This complaint is therefore to be treated as an appeal unless and until it is clear that it is not relevant to the PCN.

No Keeper Liability – Land Not “Relevant” Under PoFA

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. NCP cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. Birmingham Airport is not “relevant land” for the purposes of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), and NCP is fully aware of this legal limitation.

If Birmingham Airport wished to enforce parking under its own bylaws, that would be a matter for the landowner. However, NCP is not the landowner.

The PCN does not purport to be a penalty under bylaws. The charge is clearly a contractual claim for NCP’s own profit, not a statutory fine.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver. There is no legal basis for NCP to pursue the keeper under a distorted interpretation of agency law. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable, and in the absence of driver identification, you have no lawful basis to pursue the keeper.

This complaint is submitted in writing and must be treated as an appeal under PPSCoP 11.2. The PCN is unenforceable against the Keeper due to the land being under statutory control. There is no admission as to the identity of the driver.

You are urged to cancel this PCN to avoid further wasted time and resources. Should you choose not to cancel, I require a full response addressing each of the points raised above, including:

• Confirmation of the date the NtK was actually posted (not just generated).
• Clarification of the legal basis on which you believe keeper liability applies.
• A copy of your contract with the landowner authorising enforcement at Birmingham Airport.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Postal Address]
[Your Email Address]
[Date]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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In terms of my email to the NCP, I have used the words I drove when discussing the exit barriers. I'm assuming that having incriminated myself as the driver, the advice you've given can no longer be used?

I have requested photographs of my entry/exit of the car park but they have yet to provide it. Apologies for making the mistake of contacting them prior to seeking advice but as this is a first occurrence for me, so thought I was taking the correct course of action.

As for the DRN to NCP DPO to update details, is it still worth doing it at this current stage? Is there anything specific I need to be including in that mail, or anything I should avoid saying?

Sorry for the questions, just looking to ensure I follow the correct measures.

Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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As for the DRN to NCP DPO to update details, is it still worth doing it at this current stage? Is there anything specific I need to be including in that mail, or anything I should avoid saying?

As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.

Try the complaint anyway. In future, never, ever, reveal the drivers identity for a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from an unregulated private parking company. Always refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that, only "the driver did this or that".
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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Having followed instructions and sending through the complaint, I've not received any communication back from NCP. With almost 3 weeks having passed, should I be following up with them as I'm still receiving letters through from Trace Group?

Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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Why wouldn't you?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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Would they send you a correspondence to advise that they've dropped it? Any guidance on follow up email as I copied and pasted what you provided to you below for the initial email?

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You can have a read of the PPSCoP, section 8.4 to understand their obligations with regards to appeals and responses:

BPA/IPC PPSCoP
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you for the advice. I've tried speaking with them once more, however their complaints email is no longer being monitored, and the web chat advisors keeping sending me to complete a form which doesn't give you an email confirmation that it's been logged, so despite sending 1 complaint almost 4 weeks ago, and another last week, I've still not receiving communication from them.

Even the DRN email which I sent, doesn't seem to be actioned so am perplexed as to what to do moving forward.

Trace group as still calling me every 3 days for which I took the advice and am ignoring. Any advice as to what I can do as next steps?

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Why on earth haven't you just blocked Trace's number?

If you've sent an email and CC'd yourself, then you have proof of delivery and the ball is now in their court.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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In relation to blocking Trace's number, I seen in another thread which I think you were commenting on about potential stating about harrassment so thought if I have a record of it, could help aid me.

I don't have anything other than an automated email for when I've tried to email them. It states "Thank you for your email. This customer service email address is no longer monitored. Please use our other methods of contact below"- all of which send you to their website where you can live chat with an advisor, which is a waste of time, or submit a form, for which you get no email confirmation that you've sent. I've taken a video on my phone of the form I've sent as it will be time stamped but right now, outside of calling them or web chat, I have no means to formally lodge my complaint to act as an appeal?


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If you've used the form and taken a screenshot of what it is you sent then you have done all you can for now.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you for all of your advice over the past month, it's definitely helped give me reassurance.

Today, I have received a text message from TraceGroup stating: "pending legal action"- can I assume that the advice remains the same in terms of ignoring them?

What can happen as next steps as I've not received any form of communication from NCP from my 4 attempts of communication on July 4th and July 24th(email), two completed forms, the most recent on the 25th of July which I screen recorded. Any further advice in terms of what to expect would be greatly appreciated.

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Wait for a Letter of Claim, probably from Moorside Legal, but block Trace Group if you haven’t done so already and have nothing to do with them.
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Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
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As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.
Did you do this? If you've sent a DRN and they haven't replied, you could complain to the ICO about this lack of response. Regarding their lack of response to your other correspondence, you can complain to the British Parking Association.