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The box is substantially compliant so I wouldn't bother mentioning that it extends beyond the junction, even the most benevolent adjudicators would struggle to allow based on that. The right turn exemption obviously doesn't apply as you were not turning right out of the box, so I'd concentrate on the ground that actually has merit:

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

I challenge liability on the ground that the penalty demanded exceeded the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

A penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the penalty is payable and this must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is approximately three miles long and has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location.

As such the notice fails to adequately describe the location of the alleged contravention, I refer you to the case of Young v Day [1959] EWHC 1 (Admin) which is a binding High Court authority on this point.

In light of the above the penalty charge must be cancelled in any event.

Yours faithfully,


Take a timed / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.

Thanks for this. I really appreciate. So grateful. I'll give a feedback asap.

Hi All,

I appreciate your efforts. Just to give a feedback that the appeal was rejected.

Attached is the letter of rejection

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15rDREKBtCK1ZDLYFumGYphTEZxXmeykp/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you for your inputs @MrChips @cp8759

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The box is substantially compliant so I wouldn't bother mentioning that it extends beyond the junction, even the most benevolent adjudicators would struggle to allow based on that. The right turn exemption obviously doesn't apply as you were not turning right out of the box, so I'd concentrate on the ground that actually has merit:

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

I challenge liability on the ground that the penalty demanded exceeded the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

A penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the penalty is payable and this must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is approximately three miles long and has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location.

As such the notice fails to adequately describe the location of the alleged contravention, I refer you to the case of Young v Day [1959] EWHC 1 (Admin) which is a binding High Court authority on this point.

In light of the above the penalty charge must be cancelled in any event.

Yours faithfully,


Take a timed / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.

Thanks for this. I really appreciate. So grateful. I'll give a feedback asap.

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here is the Draft. kindly check and advice @MrChips , @cp8759. Thanks

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

Re PCN AF30618795

As the registered keeper of the vehicle,
I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the grounds "the contravention did not occur".


I understand a penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the PCN is payable and this means it must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is  a very long road and probably has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location

I also note that the box marking extends beyond the junction. When I stopped, my vehicle was past the junction between the two roads. Therefore the council cannot enforce this PCN because a YBJ only has effect in the area covered by the junction of the roads

Finally, I entered the box in order to turn right (the indicator is flashing). The video stops before the car exits the box but the car did enter the box for the purpose of turning right and seems to have been prevented from completing its right by stationary vehicles also waiting to turn right (indicators flashing), in the right position; right filter, plus the position of the car did not cause any blockage or disruption to other road user, on this basis, no contravention occurred.

In summary, from the footage provided, it is clear that no contravention has occurred and I look forward to you cancelling the PCN at your earliest opportunity.

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Thanks Toba.

I've had a quick look at the video and PCN.  Video looks tough to beat, it shows you entering the box and then having to stop due to stationary vehicles.  The box slightly extends past the natural junction in my view but I expect an adjudicator would say it's ok.

Re the PCN, it says the offence took place in "High Road Chadwell Heath (B)" - as far as I can tell there is no road with that name.  In the words of David Brent, "sometimes the complaints will be false".

Even ignoring the "(B)", there's no "High Road Chadwell Heath" either.  There is a High Road in Chadwell Heath but it extends for miles, has multiple junctions and definitely more than one box junction.  I think you might be able to challenge on the grounds that the PCN does not adequately state the grounds on which Redbridge believe the penalty is due.

Thank you for your contribution @MrChips. i will come up with a draft shorty and share for your perusal

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I can't access those Google drive links - I think you need to update the permissions
@MrChips , I have updated the access now. Thanks. I appreciate

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@Toba you need to change your Google drive sharing settings to public.
oh sorry. I have updated the access now. Thanks . I appreciate

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Hi Folks,

I received this PCN on March 6th . it happened on a high road with two yellow boxes few metres apart . I was turning right which I indicated turning right, there were oncoming cars and a series of cars in front waiting to also turn right so I had to slow down a bit and stop cos I knew I could stop on a yellow box when turning right if there were oncoming vehicles or cars waiting to also turn right plus I was not obstructing another oncoming vehicle.


Is there any advice or grounds for appeal? I have attached a link to the PCN jpegs and video below and street view

NOTE - I once got a PCN on this same road in Nov 2023, which I appealed and won, thanks to your inputs. However, this time around the video shows my car entering the box but didn’t show it on the appeal i won.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iQVb4U4ohKLDa9wU6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11U7492dBZE4Gt-U9uWu59ONyuF3_umoA/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cmFjVSGrE4Y7YizFfid_eiAKD19bQ0K/view?usp=drivesdk


@cp8759

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Hello house,

I will really appreciate your imputs as i have just 2 days more to send in a challenge.

I trust your imputs and judgement

Thanks

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I have to say the contravention seems to be made out both by the photo of the sign stating it is for goods vehicle loading only, and also your admission that you essentially "chanced your arm" by parking there.

However, all may not yet be lost, so don't rush to pay !
So can you please post-up a GSV link to the exact location, so we have have a look at the bay and its signs. Once we've seen the location, further advice will be given. Others on here will no doubt also contribute.
GSV - https://shorturl.at/BAVLt

Thanks for your imput. I appreciate

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Hi Everybody,

on the 03/07/24 , I parked in a loading bay in dagenham heathway opposite tesco to quickly get into talati pharmacy to pick up a prescription for myself and daughter as i was sick .

On getiing back to my car just few minutes , I saw a parking ticket on it.

How best can i challenge this fine?

and on what grounds ? as i cant even afford any fine at the moment .

Please check attached pictures

I will appreciate your imputs




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Hello guys.

I have come back to say thank you. I received a letter as confirmation that my representation has been accepted and the penalty charge canceled. I so much appreciate your efforts.

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Hello all. Do I count the silence as go ahead to submit the representation?


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Edit as suggested by @Incandescent

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

Re PCN AF97908565


As the registered keeper of the vehicle,
I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the grounds "the contravention did not occur".

First, the video available on your website does not show my vehicle entering a yellow box junction, and the contravention occurs at the point of entry, so this essential element of the contravention is lacking. Without evidence of the situation at that point in time, it is impossible to understand what the situation was before which caused my vehicle to enter the box junction.

I understand a penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the PCN is payable and this means it must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is  a very long road and probably has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location

I also note that the box marking extends beyond the junction. When I stopped, my vehicle was past the junction between the two roads. Therefore the council cannot enforce this PCN because a YBJ only has effect in the area covered by the junction of the roads

Finally, I entered the box in order to turn right (the indicator is flashing). The video stops before the car exits the box but the car did enter the box for the purpose of turning right and seems to have been prevented from completing its right by stationary vehicles also waiting to turn right (indicators flashing), in the right position; right filter, plus the position of the car did not cause any blockage or disruption to other road user, on this basis, no contravention occurred.

In summary, from the footage provided, it is clear that no contravention has occurred and I look forward to you cancelling the PCN at your earliest opportunity.

is this okay to be submitted as my representation? I need your input guys. Thanks

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