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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)
« on: May 22, 2026, 06:30:35 pm »
Oops, yes, you're totally right, entry was via College Rd and then the 3rd exit on to Dulwich Village Rd.

Okay, will do that!

The link is now embedded as an image, rather than text? That'll make them need to pay attention to the link, rather than just simply dismissing it.

Thank you again for your time and help Ryan!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)
« on: May 22, 2026, 05:58:22 pm »
Apologies for the late reply.

I’ve PM’d you all the details.

Yes, the PCN letter was sent to our home outside of London.

I’ve noted your advice on what to do when submitting. I think screenshotting the page should suffice in my case, especially since it clearly shows the day/date/month (https://imgpile.com/p/3TGbkPT).

When approaching the roundabout, I honestly didn’t have time to make out the advance warning sign. By the time I had stopped to enter the roundabout, the roundabout sign was behind the car. As you mentioned, my focus when approaching the roundabout was the road and island in front, and any pedestrians potentially crossing, so I didn’t have the opportunity to notice any restrictions shown on the roundabout layout plate.

Furthermore, there was only 2 seconds between lining up with Burbage Rd and actually exiting via it. In that little time, I had no realistic opportunity to even look at the exit time plate, let alone properly read and comprehend the two time restrictions that applied to the road (8 - 9am , 3.00 - 4.30 pm).

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)
« on: May 21, 2026, 02:43:07 pm »
Ryan, you are a godsend. Honestly, cannot appreciate your help enough, thank you. Hopefully, should we win, I will definitely donate to the South Essex Wildlife Hospital.

Thank you @Incandescent for your explanation above on how the tribunal process works.

Also, thank you again Ryan for your explanation on the NOR process, post-rejection of the PCN representation. As well as taking time out of your day to film dashcam footage of the route, I really appreciate it.

Hearing your expertise and advice, I would be grateful for your help with the case and acting as the appointed representative should it proceed to the London Tribunals.

Your point regarding the timeplate is how I feel too, unfortunately, I didn't see the Bus Gate warning when exiting the roundabout, let alone the timeplate...

Could you argue that the only warning being at the entrance of the roundabout, and then the entry point of the exit, does not provide enough time to take evasive action? Hence, the CCTV is operating as a trap, rather than a preventative measure? (https://imgpile.com/p/XyNcQsL)

Thank you for drafting a representation, will you post it here or should I contact you privately?

Also, for the link to the dashcam footage, in case they don't view it and reject without consideration, how would that be proven without viewing it yourself as well, and increasing the viewcount?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)
« on: May 20, 2026, 10:30:43 pm »
Ahhh, I see.

Did they reject your representation based on the argument that the PCN wording was incorrect?

I'll make sure to keep a look out the PCN portal for sure. Also, thanks for the advice on screenshotting after submitting the appeal, in case they state a different date.

Is the appeal process only after your representation is rejected? Which makes the process riskier as it would then risk the full £160 payment if the appeal falls through? Apologies for all the questions...

You're right, it was via College Rd. Unfortunately, I live outside of London and was only visiting a friend there, so I don't think I'll be able to film a reconstruction video. However, could I use different video/footage and still apply that rule, in case they do not view the attached evidence?

Ryan, you've been fantastic help, honestly, thank you. A draft would be tremendously useful, if it's not too much to ask for, thank you again! :)

So, do you advise submitting the representation based on the PCN wording and signage points? And then if rejected, proceed with appeal? Is the appeal assessed by London Tribunals rather than Southwark Council themselves?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)
« on: May 20, 2026, 08:14:36 pm »
Thank you for your reply Ryan, your insight is really helpful! :)

I just looked on the PCN portal again, and I can't find any date for PCN increase to Charge Certificate (https://imgpile.com/p/JNYOd6O). Please do tell me if I've looked in the wrong place, or if maybe they have removed that line since you raised it, maybe?

Also, how did you argue the case for issuing the charge certificate? As far as I can tell, Southwark also say it's 28 days after notice is served? How does this relate to Paragraph 5(2)(a) under Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003? (https://imgpile.com/p/FqOQTot)

I like the argument of the information dense time-plate on the entrance to Burbage Rd. Did they not counter it with the sign also being present on the entry road into the roundabout? (https://imgpile.com/p/DI7FY5M)

Thank you again Ryan, you've been a tremendous help!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)
« on: May 20, 2026, 03:33:02 pm »
Hello everyone,

I’ve received a PCN from Southwark Council for allegedly driving through a route restricted to certain vehicles (buses, cycles and taxis only).

Details:

* Council: Southwark Council
* Contravention code: 33e
* Location: Dulwich Village (Northbound) towards Pickwick Road
* Date/time: 12/05/2026 at 15:04
* PCN issued: 18/05/2026

I’m posting here to see whether there may be any grounds to appeal before deciding whether to pay or challenge it.

I approached the bus gate roundabout via Dulwich Village Road and took the 3rd exit onto Burbage Road before entering the restricted area.

PCN letter links:
https://imgpile.com/p/enJqBuy (PCN letter pages 1-2)
https://imgpile.com/p/hpKQe9M (PCN letter pages 3-4)
https://imgpile.com/p/mjJ55Vp (video footage entering Burbage Rd)

Google maps location of road approaching bus gate roundabout (turning right/3rd exit onto Burbage Rd):
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HwPVXMWSM6PibmTNA

I’d really appreciate any advice on whether the signage, road layout, or PCN itself may provide grounds for challenge. 

Thanks very much for your help. :)

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