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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: HORT1 Insurance issue
« on: February 25, 2024, 05:07:22 pm »
The relevance of the question is whether or not further checks are made into the documents produced at the police station, when a producer is issued or whether they take it at face value

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Speeding and other criminal offences / HORT1 Insurance issue
« on: February 25, 2024, 04:27:49 pm »
Good afternoon everybody, I’m posting on behalf of a young person who has only held his license for Three months, he is 18 years old and generally a very good and responsible person.

He usually takes out temporary insurance on a 24 hour basis from his parents insurance company. The insurance is very reasonable at £5.60 for 24 hours and yesterday he did just that however, he neglected to notice that the payment required him to open the bank application on his phone or computer to validate the payment and proceeded to drive the vehicle, having omitted this final step, it was an error of judgement or haste.

He was later, stopped in the vehicle as the vehicle had no valid MOT. The officer checked and saw that the vehicle was insured by his mother, but not himself. The boy explained that he had 24 hour temporary insurance and the officer agreed that this does not appear on the Insurance database and required him to produce evidence of insurance which he could not do, as the evidence would have been emailed to either his mothers or father’s email accounts which he did not have access to . His father received a phone call from the boy requesting that he checked the email and screenshot a copy of the temporary insurance cover note to him. The father checked the email, but no such email was presents the mother was occupied and could not be contacted..

The officer liked the boy and gave him the opportunity to produce the document at a police station within seven days.

As it transpires, he did not have insurance cover because of his hasty escape after having thought that he had booked it online, and he is now faced with a dilemma.

My question is that when producing documents at a police station, do the police validate the documents by contacting the insurance company or is it mainly an administration Exercise and Are they satisfied with just visually inspecting the cover note?

This is temporary cover, and as such does not appear on the Insurance database.

The officer explained that he no longer issues these producer documents and that they are pretty much antiquated, so another thing that crosses my mind is what would happen if he did not produce the documents are they so old that it would be forgotten and not acted upon?

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So just pay and be done with it ?

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I’ve attached the image of the back of the PCN, the only error is the colour of the vehicle is wrong on the pcn



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Dear all

Teas on my birthday that the council decided to send me a PCN by way of affection for parking on Hardman Street Liverpool at approx 21.14 hrs.

I was parked on double yellows but I thought that is allowed after 18.00

There was a mistake on the PCN, which states the colour of the car is black when it is actually blue I know it’s a longshot, but can I appeal on a technicality like that or any other mitigating circumstance??

Thank you

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Dear All, I received this PCN regarding me driving in a clean air zine without having paid.

In all honesty I had not even realised that I was in a clean air zone in the first place. I had travelled from Liverpool where we dont have one and I am not aware of the issues and formalities surrounding them.

I wouuld have thought that I would get a warning as a first offence rather thant the £120 fine

Is there anything i can do ? any representation I can make ?



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You left you name and address on it.

If you choose to pay 45€ you won't have a problem.

If you don't you might.

If you happen to come to the french authorities attention they could possibly tie things up and enforce them.

From may 25 there is the ETIAS system to allow entry which may make some attempt to tie things up and could theoretically cause an issue.

Oops, thans for the reply, how could they enforce it ?
Would this ETIAS system stop me from entering and driving in France ? what do you mean by "tie things up"

Thanks

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Dear All, I received 3 speeding tickets while in France - Corsica to be specific.
What should I do ? I understand that they cannot beenforced in the UK since brexit
so what would be the consequence of not paying and ignoring ? Is there a valid representation ?

I have attached a copy of one of them

Thanks in advance

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Covent Carden PCN - I uploaded images to a site with a clicker in hidden format and they all got 2 clicks

Reply from council -

Reason(s) for rejection;
A PCN was issued to the above vehicle because it was 01-Parked in a
restricted street during prescribed hours in COVENT GARDEN - L2 on the
07/11/2023. The vehicle was observed between 10:46 and 10:51 and the
Notice was issued at 10:51. The operational hours of this restriction are 24
hours a day 7 days a week.
The issuing Civil Enforcement Officer has noted that the vehicle was parked
on a waiting restriction marked by a clear double yellow line. A number of
photographs were taken after the issue of the Penalty Charge Notice which
show the vehicle parked fully on the pavement on a clear double yellow line.
The vehicle was parked on a waiting restriction marked by double yellow
lines, this restriction is in operation 24 hours, 7 days a week, in other words ‘at
any time’; since 31st January 2003 councils have been no longer required to
erect time plates to accompany an ‘at any time’ restriction.
Waiting restrictions, indicated by single or double yellow lines at the edge of
carriageway, apply from the centre line of the carriageway to the building line
at the back of the highway and include the pavement and any verge.
Having given careful consideration to your informal challenge and all the
information available to me in the circumstances I must now advise you that
grounds for your informal challenge against the Penalty Charge Notice have
not been established.
It is the responsibility of the driver to check for restrictions and to ensure that
their vehicle is not parked in a manner that contravenes parking regulations.

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as for my bumper being over the yellow lines I was under the impression that it has to be a wheel.
I'm afraid you're mistaken and I would not risk the discount on that point. If you give us a link to the exact spot on Google Street View, I'll check it against The Parking Places and Controlled Parking Zone (Liverpool) Order 2009 to see if the road markings match up to the order.

As for the other one, you have much better chances but it is essential that you get something in writing from the bank and/or the app provider, otherwise the council will say that you've made it all up.

Many thanks here is a link

https://maps.app.goo.gl/npvyjJpZ5HGFEQms6

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I walked away and proceeded to use the app 2 pay. The app kept telling me that there is an error and my bank declined the payment. I tried multiple times but by the time I got backto the van to move it it had a ticket!
Do you have any screenshots, declined bank transactions, phone logs or anything else to support this?

If not, you might need to get in touch with the app provider to get the logs from their end.

As for the DYL PCN I think the first photo above shows a substantive contravention as your bumper is clearly over the yellow line, and it's too much to be de-minimis. Where you actually loading / unloading at the time?

I checked my statements and they never show declined transactions. Perhaps the bank / app service provider and show it in the logs.

As for the Covent garden PCN I was not loading due to the lack of lines that clearly show the limit of the loading bay I assumed it was general parking, the lack of lines and signs directly over the space mislead me. as for my bumper being over the yellow lines I was under the impression that it has to be a wheel.

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Your third photo down has to be the decider. A clearly shown area of re-surfaced carriageway, with the double yellow lines at one end and the parking bay markings at the other end. So nothing to indicate where the parking bay ends nor the yellow lines; some unknown distance along the new tarmac !

So I have a case ?

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more pics

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Photos for PCN LV12316578:



You've not answered the question of what you were doing while your vehicle was parked there? It's obviously overhanging the DYLs, even though we can't say to what extent.

Photos for LV11578728:



Where were you while trying to buy a session on your phone? The machine with the location code is right next to the van?

Also the traffic order is The Parking Places and Controlled Parking Zone (Liverpool) Order 2009 and if you can give us a google street view link to the exact spot where you parked, we can check whether the road markings are where they should be.

I was going to a timed appointment.

Yes I used the code on that machine next to the van.

I went there Covent garde4n tonight and took pics with few cars.

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OK, so looks like a recent patching job on the tarmac and they haven't repainted the yellow lines. We would really need to see how long the section is without the lines, but you may well struggle getting this overturned. There has been the ocasional success, but we'd need a photo of the section with no yellow lines.  Double yellows need no signs, the lines are sufficient, but this means no lines should equal no contravention. What is against you is that part of your van is over the yellow line. Its not much but enough for a council to argue about.

I will go there and get an image.
The loading only had no lines as did the section of road in front of it where I parked.
Not having lines in front of the patking place gave me the impression that I could legally park there.

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