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Thanks all for your advice, it's definitely made it a lot clearer to me how to navigate this appeal. I'll submit it this week and let you know how it goes with my arguments/evidence pack (though I suspect the informal appeal with the council will almost certainly be rejected).

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Yes just to confirm, on the entrance that I entered through there was no PPA entry sign at all.
Image attached below.


And the image is from where please?

Contemporaneous(ish) images are the gold standard whereas dated GSV etc. gives them wiggle room - it wouldn't change the facts on the day, but we know what councils are like!

The image taken is the junction connecting Wycombe Road to Beehive Lane, the entrance through which I entered (and I parked just on the right as you enter). These are images I've taken today, but I also took images on the day that the PCN was given too (attached in the first set of images in the original post). If i were to use these as part of any appeal/challenge, should I ensure that these have metadata (i.e. date and time) in the frame of the image too?

The GSV Street View image can be found here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/yuotjKxnb51dJcNR9, though as you allude to, they're quite dated (from Sep 2024).

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I assumed the blanked sign was at the end the OP entered but if not the challenge is simple to change.

OP - do you have latest pics on the entry you came in on?

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I was puzzled to receive the PCN as there was no parking signs apparent when I drove into xxx road from xxx road and parked a few metres up on the right.

I have researched this and discovered it is supposed to be a permit parking area, but I've been back and there is no zone entry sign and so the parking restriction cannot be enforced.

I look forward to early cancellation of the PCN and presume you will take steps to install a sign now I have drawn your attention to it.

Thanks for the responses and advice all, it's much appreciated.

Yes just to confirm, on the entrance that I entered through there was no PPA entry sign at all.
Image attached below.


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OP, would you condense this pl, I'm well into my 70s and need all the help I can get.

On *** I entered and parked in Wycombe Road turning *** from Beehive Road;
I was issued with a PCN citing *******;
The council's evidence of signage is a single photo of a PPA repeater sign;
There is no PPA entrance sign in evidence;
In reality there is no sign at the junction with Beehive.

Yes?

Hi, yes I think you've pretty much summed it up quite clearly! It was for parking without a resident permit. I turned left into the Wycombe Road from Beehive Lane where there was no entrance sign indicating it was resident parking only (where the other entrance sign is completely blacked out).

Could this be appeal-worthy?

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Two cases. Second one seems to be most relevant.

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Case reference 2240407660
Appellant Irfan Khan
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM GF72OWK
 
PCN Details
PCN AF07672880
Contravention date 17 Jul 2024
Contravention time 11:54:00
Contravention location Wycombe Road
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
 
Referral date -
 
Decision Date 08 Oct 2024
Adjudicator Cordelia Fantinic
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons 1. The Appellant attended by telephone. The Authority did not attend and had not been expected.
2. The Appellant described how he has been parking in Wycombe Road on a Sunday since at least 2020. The Appellant told me that he was not aware that there were any restrictions on Sundays until he received the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) that is the subject of his appeal.
3. The Civil Enforcement Officer's (CEO's) photographs show the Appellant's vehicle parked in Wycombe Road on Sunday 17 July 2024. There are no road markings visible in the location in which the Appellant's vehicle was parked - neither a yellow line nor a bay marking. The CEO has taken a photograph of a sign, which states "Permit holders RA only" and has the symbol for a parking place where vehicles may be parked partially on the verge or footway. It is not possible to discern the location of this sign in relation to the Appellant's vehicle and the Authority has not provided any further evidence to indicate its location. The Appellant told me that the sign is on the other side of the road and some distance up.
4. I am not satisfied on the basis of the evidence before me that the Authority has proved that a contravention occurred. I accept the Appellant's submission that the sign was on the other side of the road and some distance. It is common that there are different restrictions on different sides of the same road, and where a motorist does not see any carriageway markings, as was the case here, it is important that the signage should be adequate and clearly visible. I do not find that was the case here. The Authority states that the Appellant was parked in a permit parking zone. I am not able to make a finding that this information was adequately conveyed to the Appellant on the evidence before me.
5. For the reasons set out above, this appeal is allowed.

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Case reference 2240524890
Appellant Volodymyr Kravchuk
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM EY06GCO
 
PCN Details
PCN AF0802511A
Contravention date 29 Sep 2024
Contravention time 15:42:00
Contravention location Wycombe Road
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
 
Referral date -
 
Decision Date 20 Jan 2025
Adjudicator Henry Michael Greenslade
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons The Appellant did not attend this scheduled personal hearing, neither did any representative of the Enforcement Authority.
As previously explained, in such circumstances the Adjudicator will determine the appeal on the basis of the evidence previously produced by the parties.
A contravention can occur if a vehicle is parked in an on-street permit holder only parking place during controlled hours, without a valid permit.
There appears to be no dispute that the vehicle was parked in this bay, or that the Penalty Charge Notice was issued to it, as shown in the photographs/digital images produced by the Enforcement Authority.
The Appellant’s case is that there was no clear evidence signage regarding the restriction.
The Enforcement Authority have produced library images showing ‘beyond this point’ signs but the Appellant has produced moving images appearing to show that, entering from Beehive Lane, there is no sign on the empty post.
It does remain the responsibility of the motorist to check carefully on each occasion before leaving their vehicle, so as to ensure that they do so only as permitted and that this will remain the position for as long as the vehicle will be there. This includes making sure that they comply with all restrictions and prohibitions indicated by the signs. However, it is also the responsibility of the Enforcement Authority to ensure that restrictions and prohibitions are clearly signed so as adequately to inform the motorist of the requirements.
The Adjudicator is only able to decide an appeal by making findings of fact on the basis of the evidence actually produced by the parties and applying relevant law.
Considering carefully all the evidence before me I cannot find as a fact that, on this particular occasion, a contravention did occur.
Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.


Thanks a lot for posting these, I really do appreciate it. Definitely look super useful!

Based on the second one, and considering the additional image that I've posted (and additional images/videos I have of the entry sign/repeaters being blacked out), do you reckon I have a pretty decent case against this PCN?

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It's a permit parking area in the hatched area and there is a entry sign on Maps at one end. There must be one at the other end if you came that way. The small signs at the kerbside are only repeaters for the PPA.

[img width=756.6666870117188 height=657]https://i.ibb.co/tT9q0D7D/Screenshot-2026-04-26-at-11-12-24.png[/img]

[img width=756.6666870117188 height=657]https://i.ibb.co/gFP92Sd0/Screenshot-2026-04-26-at-11-13-10.png[/img]

Thanks for the response - I've linked an image below that I took earlier this week showing the entrance of this road from the other end. As I suspected was still the case (and has been for over a year), the entry sign is blacked out (on top of multiple repeaters on the street). Based on some of the historical cases you brought up, could I have decent case for this PCN getting cancelled? To quote some of the reasoning given by the adjudicator, could I argue that restrictions and prohibitions are not clearly signed so as adequately to inform the motorist of the requirements?

Also just to be clear - while there is an entry sign on one end of the road, there is definitely no entry sign on the other end of the road. I posted an image of that entrance in my original post, and it should also be possible to verify this on Google Maps as well.

Would be very grateful to hear your thoughts (and from anyone else who might be reading this!)



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There are these signs on GSV dated Sept 2024, just before the turn into Wycombe Road. The sign means "No Waiting" (aka "No Parking" )in the zone between the times shown.

Apologies, been a busy few days.

Thanks for the response - acknowledge that that sign is there. I don't really know the legislation around the area that that would sign be enforced upon, so would appreciate your thoughts on the below question:

- Wouldn't that sign apply only to that specific road? Or if it were to be enforced on the road that I parked on, wouldn't the contravention I'm committing then be something different (e.g. parked in a restricted street, or something else noted here - https://www.redbridge.gov.uk/media/ktfetw3c/parking-enforcement-policy.pdf)?

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Hi, I was hoping to get some advice on a parking ticket that I recently got.

I was given a PCN by the council for parking on a 'resident permit only' street. The contravention code was 16: "Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid permit".. However, in my opinion, the signage for this parking restriction is pretty poor. The first attached image, taken by the enforcement officer, shows that the sign is quite clearly defaced. Is there an argument that this sign is therefore unclear and not compliant with TSRGD 2016 (or any other similar argument)?

I've also attached an image of the entrance to the street - upon entering, there's no indication that this is a resident permit only street. I'm parked just behind the highway maintenance vehicle, so I wouldn't have passed any signs on lampposts (several of these are also similarly defaced) indicating that the street is resident permit parking only. The first sign indicating the requirement a permit is further down the street from where I'm parked, which I did not walk past as I went towards the entrance of the street after parking. Could I also have an argument on this basis as well? I've linked a Google Maps location of the street entrance below.


PCN Number: AF14045494
VRM: EO71 VOV



Images (link if below don't work: https://imgpile.com/p/H3TrcIz)




Location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M8z4fCT3QFrpzsrz7

Thank you for your advice in advance!

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