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27. Subject to Articles 29 and 35 of this Order, should no indication appear on the hand held
device that payment of the parking charge has been made or an indication that the parking
period for which payment of the parking charge was made has expired it shall be presumed
unless the contrary is proved, that either -
(a) the parking charge has not been duly paid tn respect of that vehicle, or
(b) the parking period for which payment of the parking charge was made
has already expired, or
(c) the free parking period has not been registered, or
(d) the free parking period has expired.


But from what I can see, you have proved and they have accepted 'the contrary'.

This is about failure to comply with the provisions in an Order, so which provision do they claim was breached given that they accept that the 'owner' who they are pursuing paid.

Have they highlighted the provisions which they are drawing to the adjudicator's attention?

Coming back to this for pre-hearing cramming/prep...

I can't see that they have highligted the provisions but have provided their statement on the matter here:

The Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) recorded that the vehicle was parked in a pay-on-arrival car
park without payment for a parking session being made.
The information on the car park signage states that ‘A parking session must be purchased at the
time of parking’ and a penalty charge notice will be issue for being ‘Parked without payment of
the parking charge’ (Evidence 15-16).
The CEO carried out their observations and checked for a parking payment on their handheld
computer, however a parking session for vehicle registration FL15NFO could not be found
(Evidence 3).
The Council submits that the vehicle registration was entered as FL15NF0 (zero) and not
FL15NFO:
The Council submits that upon purchasing parking time motorists are required to accurately
enter the full vehicle registration by using the correct letters/numbers on the keypad (Evidence
17).
A previous Penalty Charge Notice was cancelled when the vehicle registration was incorrectly
entered and the appellant was advised that further Penalty Charge Notices issued for the same
reason may not be cancelled (Evidence 21).
The Council is satisfied that the contravention occurred and the registered keeper is liable for
the outstanding charge.


I've written out the following as my crib notes:

Points to mention in hearing:

A 0 can be used in place of a O as per in normal language
If there's a 0 on the keypad, it can be perceived as tripping users up
They should not fetter discretion
There has been no loss by the mistake
The font on car number plates is exactly the same for zero and letter O
The legislation doesn't indeed include zero so that the letter O is used as a zero really shouldn't be allowed e.g. The number 1 is included but not the letter I and the letter is not used presumably because of confusion but of course these two are also still confused
The pay machine does not include 'wrong reg' as a contravention for which a penalty charge is payable.

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The ref for the case is MC00061-2606. Hopefully, this is what you need. I will also update the previous posts with links that work shortly.
Edit: Links updated.

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The Video Hearing has now been set for 14/07/2026.

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The payment was successful, and I have attached a photo of the Visa payment receipt for the transaction that was issued by the machine at the time

Where is this pl?



The receipt is below:







The Council submits that upon purchasing parking time motorists are required to accurately enter the full vehicle registration by using the correct letters/numbers on the keypad (Evidence 17).

17. Photographs of keyboard at paystation

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Paystation & keyboard photos are below:






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The requirement to enter the VRM must be in the Order. If it isn't and all it requires is payment, then this isn't at issue and your appeal must be allowed.

Where are items 19 and 20 pl?

19 is here


20 is here


Apologies for not adding this all earlier.

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You can also say the font on car numberplates is exactly the same for zero and letter O.

Agreed! I'll have this post/crib notes open to prompt me during the call if necessary.

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I've chosen the Video Call Hearing option as advised.

I'm not sure if there's much more to this besides what seems clear; the main points I'll be choosing to use will be that a 0 can be used in place of a O as per in normal language and also that if there's a 0 on the keypad, it can be perceived as tripping users up, that they should not fetter discretion and finally that no loss by the mistake.

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Noted on the hearing.

The list of evidence is below:

1. Supporting Evidence (P&D, Receipt, Permit) - Added by Appellant at 11:51 on 03/06/2026

2. Penalty Charge Notice - Added by Appellant at 11:52 on 03/06/2026

3. Case Status Report/System Audit/Progression History - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

4. Penalty Charge Notice - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

5. Informal Challenge - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

6. Informal Challenge - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

7. Informal Challenge Rejection - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

8. Additional Correspondence (letters/emails) - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

9. Additional Correspondence (letters/emails) - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

10. Additional Correspondence (letters/emails) - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

11. Notice to Owner - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

12. Formal Representation - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

13. Formal Representation - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

14. Notice of Rejection of Representation - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

15. Photographs of car parked - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

16. Photographs of signage at pay station - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

17. Photographs of keyboard at paystation - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

18. Supporting Evidence (P&D, Receipt, Permit) - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

19. TRO/Schedule (add references in description) - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026

20. TRO/Schedule (add references in description) - Confirmed by Authority Manager at 14:47 on 04/06/2026


The summary of the Council's explanation for dismissing the appeal:



"The Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) recorded that the vehicle was parked in a pay-on-arrival car park without payment for a parking session being made.

The information on the car park signage states that ‘A parking session must be purchased at the time of parking’ and a penalty charge notice will be issue for being ‘Parked without payment of the parking charge’ (Evidence 15-16).

The CEO carried out their observations and checked for a parking payment on their handheld computer, however a parking session for vehicle registration FL15NFO could not be found (Evidence 3).

The Council submits that the vehicle registration was entered as FL15NF0 (zero) and not FL15NFO:

The Council submits that upon purchasing parking time motorists are required to accurately enter the full vehicle registration by using the correct letters/numbers on the keypad (Evidence 17).

A previous Penalty Charge Notice was cancelled when the vehicle registration was incorrectly entered and the appellant was advised that further Penalty Charge Notices issued for the same reason may not be cancelled (Evidence 21).

The Council is satisfied that the contravention occurred and the registered keeper is liable for the outstanding charge."

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The council have uploaded their evidence. Is there any benefit to choosing to have a telephone hearing rather than telling the adjudicator to make the decision based on what they see and infer from the evidence?

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Thanks. I’ve added that in and sent it in with a copy of the parking receipt. I’ll come back here when I have their decision.

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Thanks for the responses. I'm going to submit the appeal today. I've come up with the below:



• At 09:15 on 20/02/26, my wife successfully made the required parking payment via the parking payment machine in the Arndale Car Park

• The payment was successful, and I have attached a photo of the Visa payment receipt for the transaction that was issued by the machine at the time

• Despite the payment being made at 09:15, she was issued the PCN at 09:52, claiming non-payment of the parking charge.

• According to the Council the registration that was entered was FL15 NF0 instead of FL15 NFO. The “O” and the “0” were interchanged.

• The keyboard entry 0 may denote a zero but it may properly be read in the alternative as a letter and the same applies the other way round. If someone wrote 0, it could properly be read as a zero or as the letter of the alphabet, so I believe it to be unfair to penalise someone for a valid entry that anyone could honestly use at any time

• If the zero entry is not allowed, it should not be available as a button to press on the parking machine or it should be adjusted such that pressing a zero adds the correct 'O' character to avoid such situations and confusion

• My wife did not gain any unfair benefit from parking here as the payment was made in good faith and so the Council lost no money or suffered any real inconvenience



Do you think it's worth me mentioning that they let us off in the first instance, to show that if it's ok once, it should be each time after that? in my mind I think it unfair but the adjudicator might see that point differently.

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So, today I received a rejection letter. I'm thinking to go for the appeal to an independent adjudicator. Thoughts?<br><br>
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Ok, so I'm planning to send my appeal in today, stating something around the following (drafted with the help of an AI LLM):

Parking Services – Manchester City Council 
Reference: 
- MC04774743 (issued 20 Feb 2026)

 
Formal Appeal – Cancellation of MC04774743
 
Dear Sir/Madam,
 
I am writing to formally appeal against MC04774743, issued to the vehicle registered FL15NFO on 20 February 2026 at the Arndale Car Park. I respectfully request that this notice be cancelled on the following grounds.

 
Grounds for Appeal 
- Previous Cancellation for an Identical Error – The same registration‑entry mistake (0 vs O) led to an earlier PCN, which was cancelled after an informal appeal with the council’s written confirmation: “I am satisfied that you had paid for your parking time and your PCN has now been cancelled.”
 
- No Loss to the Council – Regulations allows for cancellation if the contravention was not committed. Here, the vehicle paid for the allotted parking period, so no contravention occurred.
 
- Payment for Parking was Completed – Attached receipt shows full payment for the 20 Feb 2026 session was made at the Arndale Car Park machine on 20 Feb 2026 at 10:12 am, within the allotted time. The council requires a PCN only when the vehicle has not paid or has exceeded the paid period; neither condition applies.
 
- Reasonable and Honest Mistake – The mistake—substituting the digit “0” for the letter “O” is a common, foreseeable error when entering registration details manually. Under the reasonable person_ test and the principle of _fairness_ detailed in the Local Government Regulations, such a mistake should not attract a financial penalty.
 
- Council’s Own Precedent – The council has already demonstrated that, in cases of a simple registration entry error coupled with payment, a PCN can be cancelled. Refusing to honour this precedent in the current case contradicts the council’s stated practice and undermines consistency in enforcement.
 
- Alignment with Council’s Enforcement Policy – The Manchester City Council Parking Services Annual Report 2024–25 (p. 8) emphasises that enforcement must be “reasonable and proportionate”, support safe and sustainable transport solutions, and deliver an equitable, neighbourhood‑focused service. Imposing a fine for a non‑contravention would conflict with these commitments.

 
Evidence Provided 
- Proof of payment for the 20 Feb 2026 session (receipt/online confirmation).

 
Request 
Given the abovw, I respectfully request that:
 
1. MC04774743 be cancelled in its entirety.
 
2. No penalty fee, late‑payment fee, or any other charge be applied.
 

I am prepared to provide any further documentation or attend an adjudication hearing if required. Please acknowledge receipt of this appeal and advise of the next steps.

 
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

 
Yours faithfully,
 
[Name]

 
Attachments 
1. Copy of the earlier PCN and its cancellation letter.
 
2. Proof of payment for 20 Feb 2026.



Any help/guidance would be gratefully received.

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The reg was entered in a machine at the site, so is prone to error since not in an app, but even so it's a simple mistake to make (in my mind). I'd even go as far as suggesting the machine should be smart enough to validate whether the right character format (i.e. number or letter) has been entered, but this is just in my pre-problem-solving head.

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My wife received this as the keeper of the car for an alleged contravention on 20/02/2026 (MC04774743). The last digit of the reg was entered as a 0 instead of an O. She had previously received a PCN for the same issue on 10/12/2025 (MC04614190) and it was cancelled after an informal appeal with the council's response stating,



"On this occasion, I am satisfied that you had paid for your parking time and your (PCN) has now been cancelled. Please be aware should you receive another ticket for the same reason we may not be able to cancel it."



The informal appeal (on two attempts) on the second PCN was rejected with them saying,



"We wrote to you to advise you that future PCNs may not be cancelled, as such this PCN will not be cancelled. I have carefully considered your case and I am satisfied that your PCN was issued correctly, and as such, I have taken the decision not to cancel it."



We both think it's outrageous to get a fine when there's been no attempt to avoid paying for parking and it's only been triggered due to honest manual error. We decided not to pay the discounted rate and wait for the NTO to arrive so we can challenge it formally. This arrived a couple of weeks ago. I've seen that there has been at least one other case where the appeal was rejected by an adjudicator for a similar issue so I'm just coming here (admittedly quite late on in the process as I didn't know about the forum before yesterday), for some advice on how best to proceed.



Here are the docs thus far:


The latest PCN (MC04774743):








The first informal appeal rejection letter:







The second informal appeal rejection letter (which was also sent to us in the post):







NTO:













For background, the acceptance of the first informal appeal letter:





Apologies for not coming here first before challenging the ticket informally and also not coming here until I have a reduced number of days to submit my formal appeal (I believe I have 28 days from the issuing of the NTO to do so, so by 11th May 2026).

Any guidance you can provide here would be appreciated about the best action to take.

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