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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 24, 2026, 07:54:31 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on April 20, 2026, 11:52:34 pm
The Google Street View with the sign on it, has a date. What is the date of the GSV view ? Your dashcam would be a better photo if it's clear enough, because nothing can be more up-to-date than that dashcam.

I've had a chance to review my dashcam and I can confirm that there's is a time between 8:30 and 1:30. Guess I'm out of luck?

https://imgpile.com/p/qz5VODF

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 20, 2026, 09:17:40 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on April 20, 2026, 03:04:58 pm
Where is that sign and is that your pic.

Hi, I got that pic from Google maps. I got a small view from my dashcam which isn't too clear but matches the above image.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 20, 2026, 12:07:30 am »
Quote from: tincombe on April 17, 2026, 11:15:50 am
As you visit regularly could you take photos of the signs at the entrance to the CPZ as you enter, if they're Mon-Sat then ....l

I can confirm that they do not include Saturday

https://imgpile.com/p/GHsFJij

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 17, 2026, 09:47:33 am »
Quote from: stamfordman on April 15, 2026, 07:42:34 pm
It's a shame as 13 mins later you were fine.

Why did you park there?

Recent notice of order extending hours - but the signs must have been changed:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4985769





Well, I've been fortunate to not get a ticket for a few months parking there for work purposes. I guess my luck ran out that day.

I'm assuming that it isn't worth fighting back?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 15, 2026, 07:15:08 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on April 15, 2026, 01:25:17 pm
Single yellow lines in controlled parking zones are controlled by zone entry signs.

If you were to take it to the tribunal, Camden would need to satisfy the adjudicator the zone is clearly signed, probably with library pics and a zone map.

What was your route into the zone?

I was parked next to this sign in front of the Wesley hotel on that street.

https://imgpile.com/p/HsBARQL


Route was: Hampstead Rd, Drummond St, North gower St then euston Street

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 15, 2026, 07:13:38 pm »
Quote from: tincombe on April 15, 2026, 03:08:35 pm
I understand that however the images taken doesn't show the sign/rule that I broke. It just shows pictures of my car. Can I argue that the sign/rule I broke is not present on the PCN?

Argue, yes.
Succeed, who knows.

IMO, the legal position is that every restriction must be signed such that it adequately conveys the applicable restriction. When upright traffic signs are used they must conform to the requirements set out in Schedule 4 here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/4

Except that, when applicable conditions have been met, the council may dispense with individual signs and substitute Controlled Parking Zone signs placed at every vehicle entrance into a zone:

Conditions: see 'controlled parking zone' - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1
Form of signs: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/5

If it's a CPZ and the CPZ signs are of the correct form and in the proper places then individual signs are not required.

I was parked next to this sign in front of the Wesley hotel on that street.

https://imgpile.com/p/HsBARQL

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 15, 2026, 01:21:52 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on April 15, 2026, 12:50:09 pm
So it looks like the signs in the GSV views I posted are now superceded, albeit the Drummond Street view is August 2025
OP, you need to check the signs before submitting reps.

I understand that however the images taken doesn't show the sign/rule that I broke. It just shows pictures of my car. Can I argue that the sign/rule I broke is not present on the PCN?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 15, 2026, 01:02:26 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on April 15, 2026, 11:36:52 am
Euston Street is in zone CA-G, which has a 8.30-1.30 Saturday restriction.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/474a4b28c89045eaaaff7ab6a38a1431



I understand that however the images taken doesn't show the sign/rule that I broke. It just shows pictures of my car. Can I argue that the sign/rule I broke is not present on the PCN?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 15, 2026, 01:31:45 am »
Quote from: Incandescent on April 15, 2026, 01:29:12 am
There are only two entries to the CPZ containing Euston St. Here is Drummond St entrance with the two CPZ signs: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wcfqdoiohZuNqov17

And here is North Gower St, again with two signs, although one is turned away from view on this GSV 2022 view.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z1bjMwYKadPXrjdE9

Clearly the signs are present on GSV, so if you think they're not there, you'll need to check. The yellow line by your car is clear enough in the photo. You haven't posted the actual PCN for us to check for errors, so please do so.

So what made you park on a single yellow line in the middle of London and not expect the restriction to apply at the time the CEO served the PCN ?

Hi,
This PCN was received on the Saturday so the above controlled zones wouldn't apply. Also, I've attached the PCN details in the original post including VRN.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Camden – Code 01 (parked in restricted street during prescribed hours) – Euston Street
« on: April 15, 2026, 01:06:37 am »
I received a PCN from Camden Council on 11/04/2026 at 13:16 for allegedly parking in a restricted street during prescribed hours (code 01) on Euston Street.
Vehicle details:
Make: Mazda
Colour: Silver
The Civil Enforcement Officer observed the vehicle from 13:13 to 13:16.
I am looking for advice on whether this PCN is valid and how best to challenge it.
At this stage, I am reviewing:
Whether the yellow line restrictions and signage were clearly visible and compliant
Whether the Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) signage was present and clear at entry points
Whether the location and markings accurately reflect the restriction claimed



PCN details:
PCN Number: CU74460596
Car: DG60OTT
Date of Notice: 11/04/2026
Location: Euston Street
Contravention: Code 01 – Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 21r (parked in suspended bay) – Eton Avenue
« on: March 30, 2026, 04:16:26 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 30, 2026, 12:41:18 pm
If you are sure you were parked by a parking sign that had no suspension you can be confident in waiting for the notice to owners.

On the second PCN you also have a solid ground of continuous contravention so it's really about the first one.

When did you go back to car to discover I presume two PCNs.

5th of March

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 21r (parked in suspended bay) – Eton Avenue
« on: March 29, 2026, 06:20:49 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 25, 2026, 04:18:23 pm
So two PCNs - did the car move in-between? If not the second one cannot be enforced as it was a 24hr suspension.

So:

What number house was the sign with the suspension
What number with sign with no suspension
What number where car was
What date you parked
Where you walked after palking

It would have helped if you had a clear pic of the sign with no suspension.

Hi, I've left a response to these questions above

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 21r (parked in suspended bay) – Eton Avenue
« on: March 26, 2026, 12:38:52 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 25, 2026, 04:18:23 pm
So two PCNs - did the car move in-between? If not the second one cannot be enforced as it was a 24hr suspension.

So:

What number house was the sign with the suspension
What number with sign with no suspension
What number where car was
What date you parked
Where you walked after palking

It would have helped if you had a clear pic of the sign with no suspension.


Hi, I've left a response to these questions above

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 21r (parked in suspended bay) – Eton Avenue
« on: March 25, 2026, 05:23:50 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 25, 2026, 04:18:23 pm
So two PCNs - did the car move in-between? If not the second one cannot be enforced as it was a 24hr suspension.

So:

What number house was the sign with the suspension
What number with sign with no suspension
What number where car was
What date you parked
Where you walked after palking

It would have helped if you had a clear pic of the sign with no suspension.


- The car did not move. It remained stationary across those 2 days.

- House number with suspension sign: 47 Eton Ave

- House number without suspension sign: 53 Eton Ave

- Car was outside 53 Eton Ave

- Parked the car on the 26th of Feb

- After parking, I walked towards Kings college road given I live near 102 fellows road.

Images of sign + walking route
https://imgpile.com/p/z1lCmIV

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden – Code 21r (parked in suspended bay) – Eton Avenue
« on: March 25, 2026, 03:45:14 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 25, 2026, 02:54:27 pm
Let's see your challenge and their rejection.

What are the PCN number and car VRM.

Camden has a track record of badly signing suspensions and you are entitled to rely on a nearby parking sign.

I wrote the same thing above in my response to them. Included the dashcam photos too.

PCN Number 1: CU73951435
PCN Number 2: CU73951548
Number plate: DG60OTT


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