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Thanks all for the earlier advice. As expected, Greenwich have now rejected my representations.

Their rejection does not appear to meaningfully address the de minimis argument. My representations were based primarily on the alleged contravention occurring at 18:59:35, with the restriction ending at 19:00 (approx. 25 seconds only within the restricted period).

In the Notice of Rejection they simply state that because the vehicle was observed at 18:59, the PCN was correctly issued, and that it is the driver’s responsibility to be aware of the restriction times. They also refer to signage compliance and my mitigating circumstances, but do not appear to engage with the argument that enforcement in these circumstances is trivial/disproportionate. This seems to sidestep the substance of the appeal.

I am now minded to appeal to London Tribunals on the basis that:

the contravention was de minimis (c.25 seconds only);
the vehicle’s presence had no meaningful impact on the purpose of the restriction;
the council failed to properly consider my representations by not addressing proportionality/de minimis.

Does this seem like the correct tribunal approach, and is there anything else in the Notice of Rejection worth raising?

I have attached the rejection notice and an image of the signage.







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Hi all, 

I’ve received a PCN for allegedly failing to comply with a prohibition on motor vehicles at Crooms Hill / Nevada Street (northbound). 

Key details: Contravention time: 18:59:35 Restriction ends: 19:00 So this is effectively seconds before the restriction ends From reviewing other cases on here, I understand timing alone is unlikely to be decisive, but I wonder if this could be considered de minimis given how marginal it is? 

Circumstances on the day: I was driving my pregnant wife to hospital. There were roadworks on Crooms Hill, and diversion signs in the area. My attention was focused on navigating that safely rather than anticipating a timed restriction Having now revisited the location, the restriction signs are present. However, given the road layout, narrow carriageway and presence of roadworksersions…I believe it would be easy for a driver to miss or not fully process the restriction in time

 Questions: Is there any mileage in: Arguing de minimis timing (18:59 vs 19:00)? Arguing that temporary traffic conditions reduced signage adequacy? In terms of council evidence: These do not clearly show the correct signage for my direction of travel due to the lighting in the photos/video. Nor can you see the actual wording on the signs. Is this one worth pushing beyond the discount stage, given recent comments that Greenwich may not always contest tribunal cases? 

Many thanks,







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