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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace period-10th minute or 11th minute?
« on: March 17, 2026, 11:01:30 pm »
Quote from: tincombe on March 13, 2026, 02:56:33 pm
Their reply is ignorant.

The law:

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But no penalty charge may be imposed under paragraph (1) in relation to a parking contravention where—

(a)the vehicle is stationary in a designated parking place and is left beyond the permitted parking period, and

(b)the period for which it is left beyond the permitted parking period does not exceed 10 minutes.

But they did impose a penalty as at the time of the contravention.

No-one cares a hoot about time taken to serve the PCN.

IMO, carry on.

Quote from: stamfordman on March 13, 2026, 05:37:00 pm
Yes wait for the NTO - are you the keeper and is the logbook address up to date.

They have more or less conceded anyway with the silly rejection.

Thanks @tincombe & @stamfordman - I appreciate your help. I will wait for the NTO and pop back when received.  Yes I am the keeper and the log book is up to date.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time, Kinnings Row Car Park
« on: March 13, 2026, 01:12:49 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 09, 2026, 10:52:16 am
That's one of the most ridiculous things we've seen - that time to print and serve is an extra minute....

You are right - the PCN could not have been issued until its time stated 08:41.

We had a recent discussion revisiting this.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/

Are you the keeper and is the logbook up to date with correct address.

Hey @stamfordman, thanks so much for your reply, as today is the last day I can pay the reduced amount (£25 vs. £50), I just wanted to check what your thoughts were regarding this? If you think the 1 minute difference is a clear win at official appeal I'll wait, but if not I'll just pay the £25 and chalk it up to experience.
Thank you!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace period-10th minute or 11th minute?
« on: March 11, 2026, 11:59:05 pm »
Quote from: Martyn21uk on March 02, 2026, 03:29:40 pm
Surely this is quite simple.
If a paid for ticket runs until 08:30.  This means it is valid until 08:30:59.  As this is still 08:30.  Therefore the 10 minutes can only start at 08:31:00.  Which in turn means it will run until 08:40:59 and the 10 minutes will be up at 08:41:00.  Therefore this is the earliest a ticket can be given.

Yes I thought so too but it has sparked some debate as you can see from the posts.
I posted my PCN based on responses here:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tonbridge-code-82-parked-after-expiry-of-paid-for-time-kinnings-row-car-park/

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time, Kinnings Row Car Park
« on: March 09, 2026, 01:20:38 pm »
Thanks @stamfordman. (It was me that started the thread you linked, it seemed split as to which was right - 08:40 or 08:41, so I put the challenge in)

Yes I am the keeper and the logbook is up to date.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time, Kinnings Row Car Park
« on: March 09, 2026, 01:10:39 am »
Hi All, hoping you can help.

I received a PCN (image below) for parking as per the topic.
Parking at this car park starts at 08:00, I 'purchased' a free 30 minute ticket at 00:36 (as the ticket does not start until 08:00, so expiry on ticket is 08:30).
The PCN states "Observed From 08:36 to 08:40" and the issuing time of the ticket was "Time: 08:40"


Based on my query and the answers in this thread in the Fire Pit (https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/) I challenged the PCN on the basis that it was issued 1 minute too early but it was rejected (second & third images below).


Just wondered if this is worth pursuing with a formal challenge etc.?


Thank you all!


PCN:




Challenge Rejection:




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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace period-10th minute or 11th minute?
« on: February 26, 2026, 08:04:43 am »
Hi all.
I wanted to say thank you so far to everyone who has responded!
I thought this would be a simple answer as there must have been others who have asked this or challenged it previously, but based on the responses it seems it is not that straightforward.

@Dave Green - This made sense to me too, however, if you go by what @stamfordman says, then 08:31 would be the earliest a ticket could be issued in absence of a grace period, so if you add 10 minutes to this it would follow 08:41 would be the earliest a ticket could be given(?)

@MrChips - That would be great and probably the most definitive answer, let me/us know if you found a case

@tincombe - Apologies, I posted in this forum as it seemed the most relevant based on the forum descriptions, but if any mods feel it should be elsewhere please move this thread.

@stamfordman - This made sense to me too, but @Dave Green and @sx4 make valid points - if you purchase say 30mins of parking at exactly 08:00;00 then it expires at exactly 08:30:00, thus at 08:30:01 a valid PCN could be issued as 30 full minutes have passed, so it follows that with a 10 minute grace period, at 08:40:01 a PCN could be issued?

You mentioned that PCNs are issued at minute intervals, I wondered how this affects the situation, if at all.

This is why I asked the question as to how this is seen from a legal/challenge/appeal perspective.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace period-10th minute or 11th minute?
« on: February 24, 2026, 02:47:01 am »
Hi all,
I did a search and trawled through a lot of threads and pinned posts but could not find an answer to this question, perhaps I did not use the correct terms.

My question is this, when can a ticket be issued after a parking period has lapsed, based on the 10 minute grace period?

Using the following example - Parking ticket expires 08:30, PCN issued by CEO stating "Observed From 08:36 to 08:40" "Time: 08:40"

From a challenge/legal/appeal perspective, would this be a valid PCN or does the CEO have to wait until 08:41 to issue the PCN?

I ask only as some places seem to indicate it can only be issued on the 11th minute onwards, other places say 10th minute onwards and I'm curious as to what is correct.

If it's already been difinitively discussed/answered here, apologies, please direct me to the appropriate link.

Thank you!

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