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I’m confused as in the past when an appeal has been rejected you have the option to apply to the adjudicator straight away and not wait for notice to owner. Do you think i should contact them to request the A Notice to Appeal form as directed on the London Tribunals website?

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Your message did make me laugh! The rely just did not seem conventional in the slightest. Not sure what’s going on. Ok - I’ll wait! Will you keep you posted on the next piece of correspondence.

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Morning all,

Received this reply today. Doesn't seem to have addressed all points made in the initial appeal.

Thoughts and opinions more welcomed - especially from Hippocrates!

Thanks  :)

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Thank Hippocrates - I will make the changes as suggested and get it sent off. Will keep you updated on their response….have a lovely rest of the sunny weekend :-)

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I am appealing the PCN on the following grounds:

1. The video evidence provided does not show any traffic signs allegedly passed which would indicate a contravention. The absence of such signs in the footage undermines the basis for the PCN.

2. The PCN departs from the mandatory wording in that it states you will send an Enforcement Notice if not paid. This clearly fetters discretion and invalidates the PCN.

3. The video shows the vehicle crossing part of the white line. This is de minimis.

In light of the above, please cancel.

@Hippocrates - Changes and omissions have now been made. Do I send this off now or await information regarding the camera?

Thank you  :)

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Thank you Hippocrates for your amendments. I will Adjust and repost today.

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I understand what you are saying and although its unlikely it will be taken into account, the signs on the left are often hidden or obscured by at least 2 double decker buses at a time.

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Evening Hippocrates, am I good to send this off to challenge the PCN? Or am I to hold on till the information regarding the authorisation is received from the council?

I am appealing the PCN on the following grounds:

1. Inadequate or Missing Signage – No Evidence of Contravention
The video evidence provided does not show any traffic signs that I allegedly passed which would indicate a contravention. Without clear and visible signage, I could not have been reasonably aware that a restriction was in place. According to the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD), traffic signs must be clearly visible and properly placed for any restriction to be enforceable. The absence of such signs in the footage undermines the basis for the PCN.

2. Procedural Impropriety – Fettering of Discretion
The PCN issued states that the authority “will” issue an Enforcement Notice if payment is not made. This wording is a departure from the mandatory statutory language under the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General Regulations 2007, which requires the authority to retain discretion at all stages. By indicating a mandatory next step rather than a discretionary one, the PCN unlawfully fetters the authority’s discretion, amounting to procedural impropriety and rendering the notice invalid.

3. De Minimis and Safety Justification – Momentary Bus Lane Entry
The video evidence shows that only a very minor part of the vehicle entered the bus lane, and only momentarily. This was done solely to safely avoid a cyclist, not to gain any advantage or to make material use of the lane. There was no obstruction, no delay to any bus service, and no benefit obtained from the incursion. The movement was clearly incidental and necessary to ensure safety. This minor encroachment falls within the de minimis principle and does not constitute a substantive contravention.

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Thank you Hippocrates - all above is clear.

I’ve been doing some research and definitely with respect to the bus lane markings have found there is wiggle room. More research tonight, will start to write up tomorrow and make adjustments if and when new information from the council comes through!

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How would you go about finding whether they have authorisation?

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Thank you Hippocrates, I was actually waiting for your response!

I will await your reply and also will do more research myself!

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Does it make any difference if the line is broken as opposed to a solid white line?

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Received this today.

I can’t seem to access the video or any other information via their website so I can’t ascertain the distance driven partly in the bus lane.

For clarity, I was overtaking the cyclist perhaps a little generously.

Would there be any grounds to contest this PCN?

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Hi both Cp and Hippocrates,

Unfortunately, I did make the decision to pay. Whilst I think there was a case to put forward at the time, I just didn’t have the fight to see it through. Thank you all for your help & support!

I have put a formal complaint into the council though. Still awaiting a reply - I have had a pcn cancelled that way before. Not holding my breath at all but either way still thought it was important to highlight their failure to consider evidence thoroughly.

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Thank you, that's exactly what I did!

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