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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: Yesterday at 04:34:42 pm »
I thought that would be the case. Basically, pressuring people who are hard up for cash to pay early and not take it further. Guess I have a decision to make. £80 now or potentially £160 later.
Only new thing i would mention is that after looking on google map, there is this sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/kxxWDRbzM9qkUp4M7.
I didn't see it and even if i saw it now, it wouldn't be clear to me that the streets i drove down are in that specific zone.
Edit: After reading back, this isn't new and was pointed out in this thread.
I've disputed it again and mentioned that sign. Lets see what they come back with but at this point, if the 50% discount expires and they reject again, i might as well take it as far as i can
Only new thing i would mention is that after looking on google map, there is this sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/kxxWDRbzM9qkUp4M7.
I didn't see it and even if i saw it now, it wouldn't be clear to me that the streets i drove down are in that specific zone.
Edit: After reading back, this isn't new and was pointed out in this thread.
I've disputed it again and mentioned that sign. Lets see what they come back with but at this point, if the 50% discount expires and they reject again, i might as well take it as far as i can
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: Yesterday at 04:16:05 pm »
can you pay at the 50% discount and still appeal by any chance?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 07, 2026, 12:01:56 pm »
I thought that but I'm also still able to appeal again it seems.
If you have any further information/comments to make regarding this PCN, please submit them on-line using the challenge form on the following web page www.lbhf.gov.uk/pcn
and the website is allowing another.
I am the registered owener and v5 is up to date. Although I'm moving in March
If you have any further information/comments to make regarding this PCN, please submit them on-line using the challenge form on the following web page www.lbhf.gov.uk/pcn
and the website is allowing another.
I am the registered owener and v5 is up to date. Although I'm moving in March
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 07, 2026, 11:02:26 am »
I'm going to challenge it again with the below reply. Please let me know your thoughts.
Dear x,
It is disappointing to see that you have rejected my claim without giving consideration to the points I made.
As mentioned, the signs (including the one you attached) are not clear as the parking restrictions say Mon-Fri and the event days sign says nothing about operating outside of these days.
Furthermore, the CPZ T are inadequate, with the only event days sign for this CPZ being in an area that I did not pass. My direction of travel was north up Fulham Palace road, then a left turn onto Nella Road. Nowhere during this journey was there a CPZ visible with the event day dates displayed.
In regards to the point about me having to check the website. This isn't consistent with the law. Adjudicators apply the law and that law is that the signs must reflect the traffic order.
Lastly, after doing some research into this issue, it seems this is a common issue in the area and that appeals have been accepted for these exact reasons. Please see below:
Case reference 2250294640
Appellant Jonathan Brenner
Authority London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
VRM HN63 OVL
PCN Details
PCN HZ78122708
Contravention date 16 Mar 2025
Contravention time 10:29:00
Contravention location Winslow Road
Penalty amount N/A
Contravention Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
Referral date -
Decision Date 15 Sep 2025
Adjudicator Carl Teper
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons
The Appellant has attended his appeal by video link, the Authority is not represented.
The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge when in Winslow Road on Sunday, 16 March 2025 at 10:29.
The Appellant's case is that there was nothing to indicate that this particular Sunday was an Event/March day with additional restrictions.
I have considered the evidence in this case and I find that this contravention is not proved.
Sunday, 16 March 2025 may well have been an Event/Match day, however, there is a requirement for this to be indicated on the Controlled Parking signage when entering a particular Zone - in this case the Zone that surrounds the football ground of the local football team.
This Authority has failed to provide a map indicating the extent of the Zone, where the CPZ signage is located and at least an example of a CPZ sign recording that Sunday, 16 March 2025 was an Event/Match day.
In the absence of such evidence I am not satisfied that the Authority has proved this particular contravention.
The appeal is allowed.
Dear x,
It is disappointing to see that you have rejected my claim without giving consideration to the points I made.
As mentioned, the signs (including the one you attached) are not clear as the parking restrictions say Mon-Fri and the event days sign says nothing about operating outside of these days.
Furthermore, the CPZ T are inadequate, with the only event days sign for this CPZ being in an area that I did not pass. My direction of travel was north up Fulham Palace road, then a left turn onto Nella Road. Nowhere during this journey was there a CPZ visible with the event day dates displayed.
In regards to the point about me having to check the website. This isn't consistent with the law. Adjudicators apply the law and that law is that the signs must reflect the traffic order.
Lastly, after doing some research into this issue, it seems this is a common issue in the area and that appeals have been accepted for these exact reasons. Please see below:
Case reference 2250294640
Appellant Jonathan Brenner
Authority London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
VRM HN63 OVL
PCN Details
PCN HZ78122708
Contravention date 16 Mar 2025
Contravention time 10:29:00
Contravention location Winslow Road
Penalty amount N/A
Contravention Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
Referral date -
Decision Date 15 Sep 2025
Adjudicator Carl Teper
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons
The Appellant has attended his appeal by video link, the Authority is not represented.
The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge when in Winslow Road on Sunday, 16 March 2025 at 10:29.
The Appellant's case is that there was nothing to indicate that this particular Sunday was an Event/March day with additional restrictions.
I have considered the evidence in this case and I find that this contravention is not proved.
Sunday, 16 March 2025 may well have been an Event/Match day, however, there is a requirement for this to be indicated on the Controlled Parking signage when entering a particular Zone - in this case the Zone that surrounds the football ground of the local football team.
This Authority has failed to provide a map indicating the extent of the Zone, where the CPZ signage is located and at least an example of a CPZ sign recording that Sunday, 16 March 2025 was an Event/Match day.
In the absence of such evidence I am not satisfied that the Authority has proved this particular contravention.
The appeal is allowed.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 07, 2026, 10:37:28 am »
14 day discount period ends 14 days from yesterday. So I have time. I agree on the signs being confusing. I also used that in my initial argument.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 07, 2026, 09:44:05 am »Keep it simple and say that the CPZ sign you saw shortly before you turned left into Nella Road had no information on it about Event Days at all. Let them shoot themselves in the foot by saying the one on the right by the bus stop, (so likely to be hidden most times by buses), is the sign.
This is essentially what I said, and asked for them to show evidence of where the event day signs were. Which you can see from my response, they didn't actually state.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 07, 2026, 09:17:58 am »
This is the initial response I got when I challenged it for that reason. The bothersome bit is the discount period. £160 is an absolutely ridiculous amount for a parking ticket which, right now i cant afford.
But my next step is it going to the environment and traffic adjudicator.
Why the PCN was issued?
This PCN was issued because the vehicle was parked in a shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required or without a telephone parking session for that place.
Your challenge
You have stated
I wish to challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice due to inadequate and unclear signage, and the absence of any indication that an event day restriction was in force.
No “Event Day Today” signs were displayed at the entry to the zone
I approached Colwith Road and did not see any “Event Day Today” signs at the Controlled Parking Zone entry points. These signs are a mandatory requirement for event-day enforcement, as they are the only means by which a motorist can know that additional restrictions apply.
If the council asserts that such signs were displayed, I request the following:
The exact locations of all event-day signs
Photographs showing they were visible and not obscured
Confirmation of the time at which they were switched to “Event Today”
Without these signs being clearly and prominently displayed, the event-day restriction cannot be enforced. This principle is well established in multiple London Tribunals decisions.
There is no way for a person who doesn't follow football to know that "event day" refers to a football match and there were absolutely no signs on that road to say that there was an event day
My findings
The vehicle was in controlled parking zone T. A ‘match day’ restriction scheme operates in zones T, X & Y (the area surrounding Fulham Football Club ground at Craven Cottage).
On the day of scheduled weekday evening fixtures as well as weekends, the hours of controlled parking are extended to 22:00 and 21:30. The parking bays in this area also have a two hour maximum stay for pay and display ticket holders & telephone parking on match days (At all other times the restrictions apply 09:00 to 17:00, Monday to Friday; with an 8 hour pay and display & telephone parking session limit).
The PCN was issued on the date and at the time above in a shared parking permit/pay and display bay restricted until 22:00 due to resident priority football match restrictions. During a period of 8 minutes no activity was seen at the vehicle.
There are signs in each street which show the parking restrictions. Drivers have a responsibility to check for parking signs and markings and to park in accordance with them.
Please see the image below of the signage which was taken by the Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) at the time of issuing the PCN.
The match dates on which these extended restrictions will apply are also advertised on the Council’s website.
Please refer to the following links on the Council’s website:
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/parking-zone-times-and-charges
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/match-day-parking-craven-cottage
The onus is on the driver to ensure their vehicle is parked in compliance at all times, including any temporary amendments that may apply, particularly when parking in an area where event days are common.
The CEO has a legal obligation to issue a PCN to any vehicle seen parking in contravention; regrettably, as the above vehicle was parked in contravention, this Council cannot find any valid reason to waive the Charge. I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was correctly issued.
My decision
I have considered what you have said and all the available evidence, but I do not agree that we should cancel your liability for this PCN.
But my next step is it going to the environment and traffic adjudicator.
Why the PCN was issued?
This PCN was issued because the vehicle was parked in a shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required or without a telephone parking session for that place.
Your challenge
You have stated
I wish to challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice due to inadequate and unclear signage, and the absence of any indication that an event day restriction was in force.
No “Event Day Today” signs were displayed at the entry to the zone
I approached Colwith Road and did not see any “Event Day Today” signs at the Controlled Parking Zone entry points. These signs are a mandatory requirement for event-day enforcement, as they are the only means by which a motorist can know that additional restrictions apply.
If the council asserts that such signs were displayed, I request the following:
The exact locations of all event-day signs
Photographs showing they were visible and not obscured
Confirmation of the time at which they were switched to “Event Today”
Without these signs being clearly and prominently displayed, the event-day restriction cannot be enforced. This principle is well established in multiple London Tribunals decisions.
There is no way for a person who doesn't follow football to know that "event day" refers to a football match and there were absolutely no signs on that road to say that there was an event day
My findings
The vehicle was in controlled parking zone T. A ‘match day’ restriction scheme operates in zones T, X & Y (the area surrounding Fulham Football Club ground at Craven Cottage).
On the day of scheduled weekday evening fixtures as well as weekends, the hours of controlled parking are extended to 22:00 and 21:30. The parking bays in this area also have a two hour maximum stay for pay and display ticket holders & telephone parking on match days (At all other times the restrictions apply 09:00 to 17:00, Monday to Friday; with an 8 hour pay and display & telephone parking session limit).
The PCN was issued on the date and at the time above in a shared parking permit/pay and display bay restricted until 22:00 due to resident priority football match restrictions. During a period of 8 minutes no activity was seen at the vehicle.
There are signs in each street which show the parking restrictions. Drivers have a responsibility to check for parking signs and markings and to park in accordance with them.
Please see the image below of the signage which was taken by the Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) at the time of issuing the PCN.
The match dates on which these extended restrictions will apply are also advertised on the Council’s website.
Please refer to the following links on the Council’s website:
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/parking-zone-times-and-charges
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/match-day-parking-craven-cottage
The onus is on the driver to ensure their vehicle is parked in compliance at all times, including any temporary amendments that may apply, particularly when parking in an area where event days are common.
The CEO has a legal obligation to issue a PCN to any vehicle seen parking in contravention; regrettably, as the above vehicle was parked in contravention, this Council cannot find any valid reason to waive the Charge. I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was correctly issued.
My decision
I have considered what you have said and all the available evidence, but I do not agree that we should cancel your liability for this PCN.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 06, 2026, 10:55:27 pm »
I did drive North. That first sign you posted is facing south i believe, i also would have turned left before that point too. I believe I turned left before the hospital.
As for the other sign. I didnt see that when driving, with it being the other side of the road but yeah I see the argument. I guess my strongest argument is that there wasnt an event sign in the actual CPZ i parked in, with as you mentioned the only event days sign being in the CPZ prior?
As for the other sign. I didnt see that when driving, with it being the other side of the road but yeah I see the argument. I guess my strongest argument is that there wasnt an event sign in the actual CPZ i parked in, with as you mentioned the only event days sign being in the CPZ prior?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 06, 2026, 10:40:09 pm »
Thanks for that reply. Seems interesting. So two cases where one was accepted and one was rejected. I already had one for this rejected but it just seemed like an auto reply. There were definitely no traditional CPZ signs on my way to where I parked, and there were definitely no event day signs. I also parked just two steets down from the appeal that got accepted.
Would I be able to use that every appeal in my appeal, if that makes sense?
Would I be able to use that every appeal in my appeal, if that makes sense?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 06, 2026, 10:16:32 pm »
I'm unsure if the below link works, but hopefully it does. It was on Colwith Road, Hammersmith.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4855322,-0.2228768,3a,75y,72.25h,91.5t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sgcpWIZs5VIwS4vbAmVyYYA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.497115338182283%26panoid%3DgcpWIZs5VIwS4vbAmVyYYA%26yaw%3D72.25313803643621!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i40?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Having a hard time figuring out how to upload an image here. But the way i got to this road was by turning left onto Nella Road from Fulham Palace road, then right onto Rannoch Road, then right onto Colwith Road. I don't remember seeing any CPZ signs. Just the monday - saturday parking sign, with the event times below (again, i had no idea there was an event).
As for the PCN itself, i cant upload it but happy to provide any details you need. It was one that was placed on my screen by a warden.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4855322,-0.2228768,3a,75y,72.25h,91.5t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sgcpWIZs5VIwS4vbAmVyYYA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.497115338182283%26panoid%3DgcpWIZs5VIwS4vbAmVyYYA%26yaw%3D72.25313803643621!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i40?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Having a hard time figuring out how to upload an image here. But the way i got to this road was by turning left onto Nella Road from Fulham Palace road, then right onto Rannoch Road, then right onto Colwith Road. I don't remember seeing any CPZ signs. Just the monday - saturday parking sign, with the event times below (again, i had no idea there was an event).
As for the PCN itself, i cant upload it but happy to provide any details you need. It was one that was placed on my screen by a warden.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Merton Councing PCN
« on: January 06, 2026, 01:06:32 pm »
Have updated. What links can I provide to the materials? The info above is from the log in of my PCN, which only i can access.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« on: January 06, 2026, 01:05:54 pm »
I parked on a street a few Sundays ago when there was a match on. I had no idea there was a match on, I dont follow football. The sign had a mon-sat parking restriction, but then did mention event day restrictions of like 9am-10pm. I didn't see a single sign at any point mentioning there being an event day. I used this in my dispute that has been rejected and the reply was, in short, saying the onus is on me to check their website to see whether its an event day or not. I've used chatgpt for this and this is the counter argument, which i'm hoping someone can tell me if there's actually any basis for argument here.
1. I did not see any CPZ entry signs stating “Event Today”.
2. The council has produced no evidence that such signs were displayed on that date.
3. A bay sign stating “event days only” does not tell a motorist whether today is an event day.
4. Drivers are not required to check council websites to determine whether parking restrictions apply.
5. The signage therefore failed to adequately convey the restriction in force, and the contravention did not occur.
1. I did not see any CPZ entry signs stating “Event Today”.
2. The council has produced no evidence that such signs were displayed on that date.
3. A bay sign stating “event days only” does not tell a motorist whether today is an event day.
4. Drivers are not required to check council websites to determine whether parking restrictions apply.
5. The signage therefore failed to adequately convey the restriction in force, and the contravention did not occur.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Merton Councing PCN
« on: January 06, 2026, 12:53:54 pm »
Hi all,
I live in London and in 2025 had two tickets, one through the post and one on the car. Neither make any sense and I was hoping for some advice as they total £150, which i cant really afford right now. Thats with their 50% discounts.
The first was in Wimbledon through Merton Council. I parked in a pedestrial zone. Annoyingly i was less than 10 metres into this zone, but nevertheless, i did technically enter. Now this is where things get a bit complicated. The added annoyance of this is the street has two signs in close proximity that pretty much contradict each other. One is for the pedestrian times which is sometihng like 2.45pm - 4pm, and the other is the mon - fri parking permit times which is 11am-3pm. At that point, they might as well just make the permit time end at 4pm with the pedestrian timings to avoid confusion, especially as if you turn onto the street like i did, instead of approaching from head on, the signs are very easily missed.
This happned 27th January 2025. The first letter I got about this was in September when I received a letter of collection from a court, with the price being £205. Obviously I disputed this as it was the first I had heard of it, then it went back to its original state. When I looked at the timeline, this is when things started to not add up. I wont post the entire timeline because its quite long, but this is the key early parts.
13/10/2025 17:22:54 - On Hold: In Time G1
26/09/2025 09:50:53 - Notice of Debt Registration Issued
14/03/2025 10:00:11 - Charge Certificate Issued
10/02/2025 10:26:38 - PCN Issued
I should also mention that with the debt collection letter, I received a copy of the original PCN. Which was dated 14th March and had the 14 day discount period. This is why im confused as to the the PCN issued on the 10th date. if it was issued then and a letter sent, the 14 day discount period would not appear on the one dated 14th March too.
So the offence was 27th January. A PCN was issued on the 10th February. Then a charge certificate issued on 14th March. Now the bit that isn't adding up, and the bit i disputed was the 28 day rule of the offence and receiving the fine. If this history is correct, it means either one of the below is true.
1. Merton sent a letter for the PCN, then sent a letter for the charge certificate and neither was received. I find it unlikely two letters from the council would go missing.
2. They only sent one letter, likely the charge certificate, which would have been well of the 28 day rule of receiving the letter.
I used this in my dispute and the answer back was completely irrelevant. Instead whoever replied stated that the 28 day rule doesn't apply to the re-issue of the PCN, which happened in November. I'm now in a tough spot as the 50% discount will expire soon and I'm not really in a position to be paying double. But also, they didn't answer my actual dispute properly.
Is it possible to dispute after paying and keep the appeal going?
I live in London and in 2025 had two tickets, one through the post and one on the car. Neither make any sense and I was hoping for some advice as they total £150, which i cant really afford right now. Thats with their 50% discounts.
The first was in Wimbledon through Merton Council. I parked in a pedestrial zone. Annoyingly i was less than 10 metres into this zone, but nevertheless, i did technically enter. Now this is where things get a bit complicated. The added annoyance of this is the street has two signs in close proximity that pretty much contradict each other. One is for the pedestrian times which is sometihng like 2.45pm - 4pm, and the other is the mon - fri parking permit times which is 11am-3pm. At that point, they might as well just make the permit time end at 4pm with the pedestrian timings to avoid confusion, especially as if you turn onto the street like i did, instead of approaching from head on, the signs are very easily missed.
This happned 27th January 2025. The first letter I got about this was in September when I received a letter of collection from a court, with the price being £205. Obviously I disputed this as it was the first I had heard of it, then it went back to its original state. When I looked at the timeline, this is when things started to not add up. I wont post the entire timeline because its quite long, but this is the key early parts.
13/10/2025 17:22:54 - On Hold: In Time G1
26/09/2025 09:50:53 - Notice of Debt Registration Issued
14/03/2025 10:00:11 - Charge Certificate Issued
10/02/2025 10:26:38 - PCN Issued
I should also mention that with the debt collection letter, I received a copy of the original PCN. Which was dated 14th March and had the 14 day discount period. This is why im confused as to the the PCN issued on the 10th date. if it was issued then and a letter sent, the 14 day discount period would not appear on the one dated 14th March too.
So the offence was 27th January. A PCN was issued on the 10th February. Then a charge certificate issued on 14th March. Now the bit that isn't adding up, and the bit i disputed was the 28 day rule of the offence and receiving the fine. If this history is correct, it means either one of the below is true.
1. Merton sent a letter for the PCN, then sent a letter for the charge certificate and neither was received. I find it unlikely two letters from the council would go missing.
2. They only sent one letter, likely the charge certificate, which would have been well of the 28 day rule of receiving the letter.
I used this in my dispute and the answer back was completely irrelevant. Instead whoever replied stated that the 28 day rule doesn't apply to the re-issue of the PCN, which happened in November. I'm now in a tough spot as the 50% discount will expire soon and I'm not really in a position to be paying double. But also, they didn't answer my actual dispute properly.
Is it possible to dispute after paying and keep the appeal going?
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