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Thank you for the guidance so far. Well, I got the response today. What should I do now?

https://imgpile.com/p/yQc7weR#SvRPxSm






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Yes, I did it once I got back to the car, and saw the ticket.

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Thank you for the reply. I have submitted an appeal on the basis that the contravention did not occur (text below). Strangely, Islington do not seem to let you do informal appeals? The only button on the website says to make a "Challenge", which presumably is a formal appeal. It says on the back of the ticket that they will restart the 14 days reduced amount if the appeal fails, but the page on the council website does not seem to make that clear: https://www.islington.gov.uk/parking/parking-tickets/challenge-a-penalty-charge-notice



I am writing to challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice on the ground that the contravention did not occur.

On the date in question, I parked in a paid parking bay on Cowcross Street. This was my first time parking in Islington, and I was unfamiliar with the RingGo system. I asked a nearby Civil Enforcement Officer for help, who advised me to use the RingGo app and location number 61336. I downloaded the app, but it would not find the location. The officer remained with me and also attempted to use the app, but it did not work. I have screenshots showing this.

I therefore paid by telephone using the RingGo automated service. I verbally gave my vehicle registration as GK18 XXF, along with the make and colour (red Toyota). Due to very windy conditions and a loud event nearby at Smithfield Market, it was difficult to hear the automated voice clearly. The system repeated the registration back to me and confirmed that it matched the vehicle make and colour, so I believed it had been entered correctly.

I later discovered that the system had recorded the registration as GK18 XXS rather than XXF. The vehicle with registration GK18 XXS is the same make, model, and colour as mine, meaning RingGo’s verification process did not identify the error. This was very bad luck, what are the chances? I paid £9.67 for one hour of parking and received confirmation that payment had been successful. When I called the service again, it confirmed that parking was already paid for at that location.

I genuinely believed I had paid correctly and had taken reasonable steps to comply, including seeking assistance from a Civil Enforcement Officer and completing payment before leaving the vehicle. The confirmation email arrived after I had left, and as this was my first time using this system, I was not aware to check for it.

As payment was made for the relevant time and location, I submit that the alleged contravention did not occur. Furthermore, the council is not out of pocket for the parking space since I did pay for the space I took up. I am attaching the receipt for the payment. I can provide more supporting evidence including, more screenshots, and a recording demonstrating the difficulty in distinguishing the automated pronunciation of the final letter of the registration.

I respectfully request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


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This happened today. I parked in the paid parking space shown in the google maps link. I had never parked in Islington before, so I asked a nearby Civil Enforcement Officer for assistance. She said to get the Ringgo app and enter the 61336 location number. I never had the app before, either. I don't use any phone or app paid parking things, other than normal pay and display machines, so I have no idea what is meant to happen when you use them. I downloaded the app, but it could not find the location, The CEO was still with me so I asked her to try and get the app to work, and she couldn't do it. (I have screenshots of this) Once this failed I rang the phone number to do it that way instead. I had to verbally give the reg number, make of car, and colour of car to Ringgo, presumably so that Ringgo could confirm the reg plate was correct. I then thought it repeated what I had said back correctly. Red Toyota GK18 XXF. Now I know it said GK18 XXS. I recorded the call after the fact to demonstrate that it is difficult to tell whether the automated voice says XXF or XXS. Also, the road was incredibly windy at the time, and there was also a loud event happening in Smithfield Market with huge speaker system set up, both of these made it really hard to hear. The automated voice then confirmed that the reg plate matched the car type and colour. It turns out the car GK18 XXS is the exact same as mine (make model colour), so the form of verification that Ringgo uses on reg numbers failed in these circumstances. I then used my credit card to pay for the hour parking. £9.67 for an hour. Once it confirmed the parking had been successfully paid it hung up. I then rang the same number again, where it tells you; that you have already paid for Cowcross Street parking for your red Toyota car reg ending XXS, and would you like to extend the paid session. Again, it read the number plate in the exact same automated voice as before. Again, the voice does not pronounce S clearly enough for me to tell that it has not understood my voice when I told it the correct reg number.

The confirmation email arrived long after I had left the car, since as not expecting one I did not know to check it. I wasn't expecting it because I have never used this type of pay for parking set-up before, so I did not know what to expect.

When I got back I found a PCN for 11-Parked without payment of the parking charge.

Map:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/K9h7Sf6VFj1s52YT6

The PCN:
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/bpx5k3f_xl.jpg



The email confirming parking that arrived long after I had left the area:
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/3iIe9QA_xl.jpg





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