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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 20, 2025, 07:09:43 pm »
Punishment letters have arrived for both offences and it's the best case scenario, 1 FPN & an offer of a SAC which I will accept.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 11, 2025, 06:42:57 am »
Quote from: roythebus on December 10, 2025, 11:16:36 pm
Best thing is to go back there and take actual measurements if you can, but it can be an expensive day in court if you challenge and lose. You may be lucky and get the standard FPN £100 and 3 points.

Car insurances don't seem to worry too much about speeding points these days.

The Driver CPC courses vary in content, but those I've been on have had a session regrding speed limits. One notable speed awareness course I went on the chap lecturing shed a picture of a national speed limit sign on a 2 lane road and asked "what's the speed limit here?" He wasn't happy with the reply "what vehicle am I driving?"

Court isn't somewhere I want to go for the reason you said, very expensive. Still waiting to find out my punishment.

I've been driving LGV since 2018 so have only done one 35 hour CPC refresher (I did it over 5 days, never again) I don't remember covering road speed limits but obviously that's not a defence for my actions.

You are right about "what vehicle am I driving" but also I've spoken to car drivers that think the NSL sign (white with black line through) that think it means the limit is 70 on a single carriageway  ;D

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 09, 2025, 10:39:00 am »
Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 09, 2025, 08:34:09 am
Quote from: NewJudge on December 07, 2025, 12:37:04 pm
I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
On another scan I think you may be right - the streetlighting is only on one side and very easy to miss.


I've just used Google earth to take measurements between two light posts, I don't think it was 100% accurate (my pc is old slow) but they appear to fall short of 200 yards.

I've accepted my fate, it's my fault I'm here... anyway I did a quick insurance quote as my car insurance is due, with points on my licence the quotes were cheaper by £15!  ???  :D

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 08, 2025, 10:09:30 pm »
Quote from: andy_foster on December 08, 2025, 10:00:46 pm
And here
As much as I appreciate Roythebus contributions I was looking for the official wording, Roythebus provided valuable information for me which has pointed me in the direction I required, however he didn't (and I don't expect him to) provide the sections and subsections I need to read.

Andy, I appreciate you going out of your way to highlight Roythebus previous input, thank you.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 08, 2025, 09:12:58 pm »
Quote from: roythebus on December 07, 2025, 11:17:53 pm
Add to that possibility of the TC suspending your HGV entitlement for a while as well. your employer is under an obligation to report such matters; whether further action will be taken remains to be seen. You may be lucky.

I was reminded of the street lamp spacing on my last speed awareness course. :) Yep, I get done as well, but never when driving a bus.

Where can I find detailed information about the street lamp spacing? And would I have to measure the distances between them in person or would an online tool & GSV be acceptable?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 07, 2025, 07:33:22 pm »
Quote from: andy_foster on December 07, 2025, 07:27:20 pm
Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 07, 2025, 07:16:47 pm
I see no reason why fixed penalties wouldn’t be offered in the worst case (time permitting).

If the OP has taken the trouble to do some research, then rather than showing our ignorance by arguing with him, we should thank him for enlightening us. I'm just off to update the super-seekrit "READ THIS FIRST" post.

No one is arguing here. As for doing my research, sometimes it's best to get help from people with experience, hakuna ya tatas.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 07, 2025, 06:29:17 pm »
Quote from: NewJudge on December 07, 2025, 12:37:04 pm
I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
It's going to be a hard lesson learned if that is how Cumbria police operate.

I've been reading up on the possible outcome of my crimes and I forgot times have changed so instead of worst case scenario of 3 points and £100 fines each way it's now: 4-6 points or 7-28 days disqualification & a fine of 75-125% of a weeks wage.

If people are suggesting I have a chance of contesting this then I'm all ears.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 06, 2025, 11:36:51 pm »
Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 06, 2025, 10:50:42 pm
Yes, one should qualify for a course.

Thanks for your help.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 06, 2025, 09:51:47 pm »
Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 06, 2025, 09:42:09 pm
As a HGV driver that's slightly worrying that you do not know what a restricted road is… (a road that has a limit of 30mph because of a system of street lighting less than 200 yards apart unless there are signs to the contrary)

But this road is not one.  So the terminal signs set the limit upon entry but there are no repeaters to maintain it.  But there's no strict distance requirement for the frequency of repeaters.  I haven't measured the distance between the gateways but I guess you may struggle to show the limit is not adequately signed.

Unfortunately I can't know everything but thank you for explaining it.

Is 42mph within the limits allowed for a SAC or am I better off to just expect that I'm getting 6 points?

Hoping for the best outcome of 3pts and SAC (and a lesson learned).

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 06, 2025, 06:36:09 pm »
Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 06, 2025, 06:26:08 pm
I'd note there are 30mph terminal signs on entering the area from both directions but there (if GSV is correct) are no repeaters and no system of streetlighting (which would make it a restricted road).

What do you mean by restricted road? As far as I'm aware there are no restrictions except the speed limit.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 06, 2025, 04:51:59 pm »
Yes, is there anything I can do to argue my case.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Caught both ways (HGV)
« on: December 06, 2025, 04:47:53 pm »
Speed limit 30mph

Speed captured one way 49mph

Speed captured the other way 42mph

Location https://maps.app.goo.gl/dfNmv95BS9HVsUR66?g_st=ac

I did not see the camera as it is on the telegraph pole before the buildings on the right (towards Longtown).

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