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Then procedural impropriety will be a ground of appeal as the NTO is flawed - and they know it to be as I had one cancelled for a client recently.

Sorry I've got a bit lost, the only procedural impropriety I could see was the missing camera evidence they stated was on the NTO but isn't. Am I missing something ?

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I sent an email to the council parking dept to enquire what happened to my NTO appeal reply, the reply I got was:

Good morning,

The Notice Of Rejection was issued on the 10th of February 2026 by post for the representation you made . This has been deemed as served as it has not been returned by Royal Mail. I have attached a copy for your records.
You will need to select option 2 for your witness statement.
Regards

[They rejected it without giving any reason]

It occurs to me that bearing in mind the policy of Royal Mail to prioritise parcels over letters and how many letters haven't reached me or are late might it be a good idea for the recipient to be able to opt for email delivery or copy by email ?
[I have suggested this in their parking policy online survey]

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Being as the date of the NTO was 05/01/2026 would not the 56 day after be the 28th of February ?

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Looking at the info on the adjudicator website it states:

The enforcement authority considers your representations

The authority must, before the end of 56 days beginning with the date on which they receive representations:

    Consider representations received in time;
    Decide whether to accept or reject them;
    Serve on the person who made the representations:
        A Notice of Acceptance, if it accepts them; or
        A Notice of Rejection and a Notice of Appeal form, if it does not accept them

If the authority fail to respond within 56 days, they will be deemed to have accepted the grounds in qu


Thinking out of the box if the TEC accepted that I did not receive a response to my NTO does this not enforce the the last line of the above that the authority are deemed to have accepted the grounds ?

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Thank you - I was thrown by Hippocrates post which although I'm sure is quite correct threw me for a time. If the TEC find in my favour do the council re-issue an NTO or does it go straight to the Adjudicator [It's a very long time since I did this and my memory is not great].

Thank you

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Oh you mean the NTO should state 28 days from the date of service rather than Not later than the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice I didn't know there was any difference.

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I'm not sure what you mean - could you explain please as it seams they claim on he CC that the NTO was sent on 25/10/2025 when the NTO date of service was 05/01/2026 and they ignored my NTO Rep.

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original NTO link below - Note the missing image from the page. Also very puzzling is that the contravention date is 25/10/2025 yet on the CC it states the NTO was sent to me on 25/10/2025.I have the confirmation of receipt email for the NTO appeal I sent !!

https://postimg.cc/JGsKhQxH

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NTO was dated 05/01/2025 and Date of NTO appeal was 02/02. I used the online form the council supply that goes straight to their dept and an auto. confirmation email is then sent

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I sent a reply to the NTO [I have a confirmation email from havering council of it's receipt but have now received a charge certificate with no reply to my NTO. The charge certificate has some errors [the date of contravention and date of NTO are the same and it's format just doesn't look right as it lists the reasons why the CC COULD be sent but not which it is. I'm a bit puzzled. Is it correct I can only wait for the charge to be lodged as a dept at the county court and put in my appeal for it to be reset to a new NTO to be issued ?

https://postimg.cc/ft65nCh0

Thank you for your help.

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I'm so sorry if I have confused things. I submitted the appeal on grounds of the kerb stripes not being visible and it was rejected on grounds [they say] A no waiting enforcement being in place there. The actual sign however says 'No Loading or Unloading' which makes me think - The PCN was contravention 02.but 'no waiting' comes under code 01. I looked on ukparking.info which states:

01: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours

Higher. Possibly the least obvious from the wording, this is for “No waiting” restrictions, usually single yellow lines or double yellow lines, but also some RPZs, where the restriction is posted on signs as you enter an area. These are most often used in pedestrianised areas or historic town centres, where yellow lines would have too much of an impact on the appearance of the area.

Loading or unloading, blue badge holders, picking up or setting down passengers, and vehicles used in execution of a statutory duty are usually exempt.
02: Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.

Higher. Used where there is a no loading restriction; usually marked by yellow lines off the edge of the kerb, but like code 01, may be used in a RPZ, where the restriction is posted on signs as you enter the area. These are most often used in pedestrianised areas or historic town centres, where yellow lines would have too much of an impact on the appearance of the area.

Loading or unloading and blue badge holders are not exempt, picking up or setting down passengers, and vehicles used in execution of a statutory duty are usually exempt.

[Interesting how it's mentioned Yellow Lines aren't used in historic town centres yet you couldn't get more historic than Romford].

I can post the rejection letter if it helps.

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Thank you for your post.Just a few things before I write my appeal. The sign says No Loading at any time whereas in the informal challenge reply the council states:

Your vehicle was observed in High Street at 15:41:14 hours during a period when the relevant
order prohibits waiting.


Does the difference between the two give me a defence as I have just found that Blue Badge parking is permitted on DY lines but not where there is a ban on loading or unloading

Also how do I find out when the sign [order] was put in place ?

Thank you for your help

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I have thought about this further as the reply to to the informal appeal states I have given careful consideration to all the matters raised in your correspondence. I consider,
nevertheless that the Penalty Charge should apply and have rejected your challenge for
cancellation for the following reasons.
Your vehicle was observed in High Street at 15:41:14 hours during a period when the relevant
order prohibits waiting.
.

If I remember correctly no waiting prohibits stopping but allows dropping off a passenger whereas the sign prohibits loading [whereas code 02 prohibits both]. [he sign being maybe a relic of the building the sign is in front of which used to be Romford Brewery many years ago and the windows now in place were previously doors].The said image in the NTO is blank but what would have the council put there, a pic of the vehicle parked wih no kerb stripes visible or the no loading sign or an attempt to photograph both in one frame which would be almost impossible ?

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No 2. is my preferred option.

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