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the second letter of this PCN is now under my name

Sorry, but what 'letter'? Pl post.

Hello, please see below.
https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#9kN7V8H
https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#D3ze7hI

This is the one I received under my name.
There is another one that the lease company had received which is almost identical with the exception of the addressee and the date of penalty charge notice.

Thank you for the support
I'll take a look later as Lambeth's brains operate in mysterious ways.


Hi both, Do you have any advice please? I can make the same representations again to stop the clock for the fees going further up. I am also consious that at another thread, a very similar response got rejected for the same place.


thank you

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hello all

Any thoughts on the matter? I need to pause the clock as the fees will go further up..


Many thanks

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the second letter of this PCN is now under my name

Sorry, but what 'letter'? Pl post.

Hello, please see below.
https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#9kN7V8H
https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#D3ze7hI

This is the one I received under my name.
There is another one that the lease company had received which is almost identical with the exception of the addressee and the date of penalty charge notice.

Thank you for the support

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IMO, you may not make reps in your own name, unless you have a PCN in your own name.

You have no liability to the council if a PCN has not been issued to you. The most you are doing is the leg work for the RK.

The RK cannot 'transfer' liability under the guise of them having a hire agreement with you because there is no such agreement which BY LAW has to be of a prescribed form AND have a term no longer than 6 months.


thank you for the response. WHat does this mean in practive? the second letter of this PCN is now under my name. Does this mean the first represenation was void and as such i need to go thorugh the process again?

Regards,
Marios

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Sorry to go back on this, but have you actually received a PCN in your name from Lambeth?

Hello, valid point.
The first one was from the lease company that was accompanied with a  3rd party authorisation letter. I had assumed that this transferred the responsibility to me. Is that not the case. If this is indeed the issue then do I just make the same representations?

Thank you,
Marios

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Can't wait.  :o

Dear Hippocrates,
I have an odd update retgarding this case. I have not formally received a response on my representation but:

- 9 Jan I sumbitted the representation
- 18 Feb I got another letter with the same PCN
- 24 Feb I checked the lambeth portal and the site was saying that representation has been received
- 13 Mar I checked the lambeth portal again and it now says to pay full amount or it will increase to £240 on 29March.

What do i do? Do i make new represenations again?

new screens on links below.


https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#dhfxJ4S
https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#n66nGqj


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I make these formal representations against PCN

1. There was no contravention of a prescribed order because the signage in situ and accompanying plate a place directly after the turn on Rosendale Road, there is no advance signage to warn that this restriction is upcoming and by the time one is in a position to see the signs it is too late. Indeed, reading the exemption plate placed as it is impossible from a moving vehicle and to stop at the location in question would be inherently dangerous as would attempting to reverse back.

For these reasons the signage fails in its requirement under LATOR 1996 s18 to adequately inform the motorist.

2. A motorist must be given wholly correct information when to pay the reduced or full amounts sought. However, there is a clear disconnect between the law and what is stated on your website.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN


Thank you. I have sumbbitted the representation as you stated. Once i receive a response i will reply back.

thank you for the support. (lets hope for the best).

 

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Good stuff. If you don't mind, it needs slight tweaking. I'll gate back tomorrow. No warning signs are necessary.

If you can point me to the changes I can try and do them myself. I am worried as the discount will disappear. Its already past the 14days but they havent yet increased it.


thank you

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Good stuff. If you don't mind, it needs slight tweaking. I'll gate back tomorrow. No warning signs are necessary.

Many thanks

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Hi Hippocrates and al,


I would greatly appreciate some advice on the bellow representation response and whether you think its adequate. Its an amalgamation of past letters and information i could gather from past posts.

@Hippocrates, I have tried to capture your point on the dates but please correct me if i misunderstood. thank you

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To Whom It May Concern,

I make representations against
PCN number: LJ35493793
Contravention: 53j
VRN: BC23KSE
Location: Rosendale Road (H)

The first ground by way of collateral challenge: There was no contravention of a prescribed order.
The signage in situ and accompanying plate a place directly after the turn on Rosendale Road, there is no advance signage to warn that this restriction is upcoming and by the time one is in a position to see the signs it is too late. Indeed, reading the exemption plate placed as it is impossible from a moving vehicle and to stop at the location in question would be inherently dangerous as would attempting to reverse back.

For these reasons the signage fails in its requirement under LATOR 1996 s18 to adequately inform the motorist. No contravention can occur in these circumstances and the PCN should be cancelled


The second ground by way of collateral challenge: Dates between PCN and Council’s website are misleading.
I am making a collateral challenge on the grounds that the penalty charge discount amount date as published on Lambeth’s website does not coincide with the 14 day period on the PCN itself.
The PCN states:
“If the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by 50% to £80.”
The end of the 14 day period would thus be 30 December 2025.
Yet on your website [extract taken today 7 January 2025] it states:
“The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £160.00 very soon. Please pay £80.00 now.”

Moreover, the website gives the date of issue as 5 Dec (which is when the CCTV was recorded) while the PCN itself bears the date 17 Dec. Taken together this is all clearly misleading. I refer you to a recent case decided at the London Tribunal [224036272 decided 15 October 2024] on similar grounds i.e. where Lambeth’s website was inconsistent with the information given on the PCN. The adjudicator Mr Houghton said:
“In bare summary the Appellant submits that the Council’s website was giving incorrect and/or confusing information regarding payment dates……The motorist is entitled to have clear and correct information from a Council as to what is required to be paid and when; and in my judgement these errors are serious enough for the Appeal to be allowed on the basis of a collateral challenge.”

In light of the aforementioned collateral challenges, the PCN should be cancelled. It is incumbent upon an authority to have clear road signs and give clear and precise states re payments etc and these must be according to the statutory process.

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Hello. cf just means compare in this context.

I am starting to draft a response for my case.

That I noticed is that the date on the website says 5dec while the paper PCN states 14 Dec. I believe this discrepancy counts as misleading/misinformation and as such the PCN should be invalid

(My assumption for now)

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Ticket ReferenceLJ35493793
Your PCN is at discount stage. PCN process information
Vehicle Registration NumberBC23KSE
ColourGREY
MakeNISSAN
Contravention53j - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (camera enforcement)
LocationRosendale Road (H)
First seen atFri, 5 Dec 2025 8:52
Issued atFri, 5 Dec 2025 8:52
Served byPost
The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £160.00 very soon. Please pay £80.00 now.



Is the challenge that the website does not contain enough information on when it needs to be paid by? I assumed this would not be an issue as it's written on the PCN. If so, is there a set paragraph that I could use in this circumstance?

Thank you

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Not that I can be of help but I have exactly the same issue a day after you at the same spot. I have raised another request in the forum. It is really odd as to when this came in force and also once you realise the restriction there is very little you can do to correct your course of action.

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The website payments page is a serious issue.

Thank you for the response. What do you mean? Is this something that I can use against them?


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year (soon)

Yes. Check the dates re payments.

Hi Hippocrates, Happy new year.


I feel a bit daft as I am not sure what i am checking. I looked into the payments webpage and shows the photos, the date of contravention and amount. What is the basis of me challenging this PCN?


Following link of website.
https://imgpile.com/p/avYqDXs


Apart from the payment website is there any other argument that i could use in my challenge?



thank you for the support




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The website payments page is a serious issue.

Thank you for the response. What do you mean? Is this something that I can use against them?



Merry Christmas and Happy New Year (soon)

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