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Hi everyone,

Just an update. Lambeth council have rejected the final appeal stating "There is a sign where you parked that explains that the bay you parked in is for people with a business permit" ... "You were parked in a bay for people with business permit. Residents permits are not valid here." etc.

So I will be appealing to London Tribunals.

Appreciate the form says that the have all the details of the case from the authority, is there anything more can be added? I do feel that Lambeth council have not engaged with the substance of the appeal during this process and have issued generic "the sign is clear" responses so could meet the criteria for acting "frivolously, vexatiously or wholly unreasonably". Is it worth perusing that to get some form of expenses for time spent on this? Appreciate any advice from anyone about that point.

Thanks!

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This is great information thanks! Is appears almost identical to mine.

I have submitted the formal representation at this point so waiting to here back from that. I'll keep this updated with progress. In the mean time I spotted another car with quite a few PCNs on it seemingly done the same thing as me.

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Thanks both.

Yes I think it doesn't clearly say on the sign it is a business bay. KB is clear, but what that is is not on the sign.

The KSB (and KSR) is for the Kennington Sub zone - basically near the center of Kennington so KS permits are allowed in other areas of K but K are not in allowed in KS.

I did some digging on the Lambeth website.
This is the site for applying for a permit (comes up when you google parking permit). https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/parking/parking-permits/residents-parking-permit-e-permit I can't see anywhere on that or the sub pages an explanation of the KR or KB. The link to the CPZ map is this https://streets.appyway.com/lambeth which it says permit only for the space I was in (see screen shot below or https://imgur.com/B6QO23u).
On digging, I did find this page https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/parking/parking-restrictions/where-you-can-park/parking-bays where it does explain different bays, and it does actually use the example of KB as Kennington CPZ for business holders. There is no link to this page of the website from the residential permit pages or the CPZ page.



So I think, the question is, was it reasonable for me to have visited that specific page which explains the parking restrictions in addition to having viewed the other pages and the main CPZ map?





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Not really, I looked up and assumed it was the same as the rest of the row, because the other spaces have both KR and KB.

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Thanks both for your responses.
@Incandescent - the permit is fully digital, the details of which are in the first link in the original post. It does have the letter K but not a specific KR.

I think there's 2 things here.
First, the multiple PCN's. If I did a representation on the Friday and Monday PCN's would that be accepted? 3 PCN's for an offence where I have a residents permit for a year and not commited an offence is unreasonable.
Second, the bad signage (applied to all 3 but mostly Thursday). From those recent cases, I would need to justify that is was reasonable that I wasn't to know that my permit was not valid in the KB area.

For next steps, what's the best way to be framing these arguments for the formal representation stage?
And if I were to hedge my bets and pay the discounted rate for 1 of them is there a mechanism to get that refunded (genuinely don't know)?

Thanks again!

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Hi forum. I am in need of some advice for some PCN's I have received and had my informal appeals rejected. So I am now facing £260 in fines (£80 each) for the same offence. I am still within the discount period for these so am looking to get a view as to whether or not it is worth appealing further and risking a doubling of the fine, or to just cut my losses and take it on the chin.

Story
I parked up on Offley Rd on the morning of Thursday, July 3rd 2025. I have a residents permit on this street and so parked up in a space. I then went away for the weekend and returned to my car on Monday evening, July 7th 2025 to find 3 PCN's on it (for Thursday, Friday, and Monday, restrictions are not in place over the weekend). Turns out I had parked in a Business bay rather than residential, as denoted by the KB on the sign instead of the KR. On Lambeth Councils online parking permit website, it shows my permit as being for CPZ Kennington (K) and elsewhere on the same page, Type: Residential. No where does it make clear that this is indicated on signs using KR or KB. - this is the page https://imgur.com/a/sdSlxwD

I have done the informal appeal route for these 3 PCN's and all have been rejected.

Appeals for Friday, and Monday PCNs
Tried getting it cancelled on the ground that it was a continuing offence. In addition, the Monday PCN lists the car make as a Volkswagen not a Volvo. Other information is correct. Here is the text for the Friday PCN. The text for the Monday is the same with the addition of the point on the car make.
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I was away from the area during the period when the first PCN (LJ36422600, issued 03/07/2025) was issued and did not become aware of the contravention until my return. This absence meant I had no opportunity to move the vehicle after the first ticket was issued. The additional tickets were therefore effectively issued for the same ongoing situation, which I could not reasonably rectify as I was away from the area.
I hold a valid residents’ parking permit and parked in the area in good faith. While I accept that the location was designated for business permits, this was a genuine error. I did not intentionally flout the regulations. On returning and discovering the notices, I moved the vehicle immediately.
"

Response from Lambeth is attached. The text is the same for both the Friday and Monday PCN's. Mondays response doesn't mention the discrepancy in the car make. Response: https://imgur.com/aKrKuL4


Appeal for Thursday PCN
This is based on it being unclear that the letters made it clear I was not entitled to park there. Text below:
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The PCN was issued on the basis that I had parked in a business permit holder bay designated for permit codes KB or KSB. However, I believe this PCN should be cancelled on the grounds that the signage and the supporting council information failed to clearly distinguish between these permit categories, resulting in an honest and reasonable misunderstanding.

Lambeth Council’s permit portal confirms that my permit is for the Kennington (K) CPZ and of Resident type. Nowhere on the website is it clearly stated that K, KB, KR, or KSB are distinct and incompatible for parking purposes. If such subdivisions exist, they should be explicitly stated and easily accessible to residents, especially considering that these subcodes do not appear on my permit or on the website (print out attached). 

The signage and website together failed to provide sufficient notice or clarity that a K permit would not be valid in a KB/KSB bay. It is unreasonable to expect residents to infer these distinctions from two-letter codes alone, particularly when the CPZ name and permit type match the location and time of parking.

I therefore respectfully request that you exercise discretion and cancel the PCN, given that:
I held a valid permit for the CPZ in question;
I parked with genuine belief that I was entitled to do so;
The Council’s signage and digital information failed to provide clear guidance that would prevent this misunderstanding.
In the last 12 months, I have not had a parking charge cancelled in goodwill.
"

Response: https://imgur.com/sH255aR

Details
Thursday PCN
LJ36422600
Discount expires: 28/08/2025

Friday PCN
LJ36446085
Discount expires: 22/08/2025
PCN: https://imgur.com/PzLfuPb

Monday PCN
LJ36390923
Discount expires: 23/08/2025
PCN: https://imgur.com/EKIwepE

Street view: https://maps.app.goo.gl/2fVi7GnEo7Na8d4aA

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