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I am confused as to how you managed to accumulate so many PCNs. This is not a criticism of yourselves per se, but of how you were issued with more than 3 PCNs. Richmond policy is that its traffic wardens only issue 3 PCNs on an offending vehicle - and at that point to stop issuing further PCNs.

When you returned to your vehicle to find PCNs, did you see more than 3 PCN envelopes on your windscreen?

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Hello, I am a traffic warden and - ironically - feel sorry for the OP.

I feel that her council are particularly harsh, in mandating that the resident permit needs to be physically displayed. In Westminster, they went digital a few years ago, and others seem to be moving in that direction.

In the boroughs that issue physical permits, the only situation where the physical permit really matters is when the permit is non-vehicle specific e.g. a hair salon buys a physical business permit, then receives it in the post. It is incumbent on the duty hairdresser to display the permit on their dashboard, as this is the only proof that that vehicle has parking rights. If the permit curls up due to the sun, then all hell breaks loose.

I concur with the OP, on the premise that paper permits do not curl up in the way that laminated ones do, and urge the OP to flag that issue at the council as best as they can. It is a serious design flaw!

I am unsure if the challenge to the PCN is the best avenue for that though.

I am going off on a tangent but one thing I hate is P&D ticket machines that do not dispense a P&D ticket with an adhesive that the driver can use to stop the ticket flipping over. All hell breaks loose there too!

With respect to the actual appeal, I reviewed the photos of the PCN, but could not find any of signage to say that she was in a permit holder bay. I always take a photo of a sign in proximity of the vehicle that I issue. In the cases where colleagues have not done so, the PCNs can get challenged, and successfully overturned on this point.

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(Also why wasn't it enforced sooner? She would have moved the car much sooner if we'd realised the week before…)

Your car may have been missed due to a number of reasons e.g. poor weather, short staffing, the officer entering the street to simply tick it off their to-do list. We could speculate all day. In any case, your lack of realisation is not something that the council will take responsibility for.

With this in mind please don't ask, "why wasn't it enforced sooner?" in your representations.

I agree with the previous suggestion that you pay the first PCN, and contest the remaining two on the ground that you are a local resident, and could not find a space on your own road.

For future reference, if you know anybody who lives on any of those 10am - Noon streets, ask them if they can get you a booklet of resident visitor permits. You can make use of them if you ever find yourself needing to park on their streets again. You cannot obtain them as you do not live in the CPZ, but each RVP is only £1.70.

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Hello Stamfordman,

I agree fully with you, in that you cannot charge a non-electric vehicle. 

When I issue a PCN on a vehicle in the electric charging point, I do not concern myself with whether it is or is not an electric vehicle.

In either scenario, I will explicitly refer to the type of vehicle that I saw, when writing the PCN notes.

I use code 23 when I see a vehicle parking somewhere it should not be. However, I never brought myself to using it in the electric charging point, as it is a charging point, as opposed to a parking place.

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Hello everyone,

I am a London traffic warden, and most of the time just skulk around in your forum, given our reputation.

I am sorry if what I am saying should have been said in a new thread of my own, but because there is a live example in front of us, I felt that it was appropriate to make my point here?

I am confused by the contravention code with which the particular officer issued this PCN.

Whenever I issue a PCN on a vehicle that I observe in these circumstances, I use contravention code 14

"Parked in an electric vehicles’ charging place during restricted hours
without charging."

In this circumstance, the officer chose contravention code 23

"Parked in a parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle."

The parking place is exclusively for electric vehicles to park AND charge their vehicle. e.g. I do issue Teslas in such a scenario where they are parked in such a bay, and are not plugged in, under code 14.

I take the view that the PCN was issued under the wrong offence code, as it implies that a vehicle could park in this location, so long as it is the right class of vehicle - an electric vehicle - and that is not true.

Most London boroughs - including the aforementioned Westminster - outsource our job to the private sector, which turns it into a business, as opposed to the service that it really should be.

In plain English, it means that we are just on the streets to dish out as many tickets as possible. The powers that be, surely know that loads of them are duds, but due to the sheer numbers issued, it is inevitably financially worthwhile

As for the main ground of appeal in this PCN - inadequate signage - I observe so many bays that are signed like this, on a daily basis. I accept the view that as much information as possible is useful to a motorist who is about to park their car, but suspect that adjudicators would open the floodgates if they allowed appeals on this ground.

I say this, because there is some seriously shocking street furniture in London, yet we are expected to enforce said streets.

I am sorry for going off on one in your thread, but sadly it is the only place where I can have a frank conversation about my "profession."

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If the CEO has a time stamped note of when my vehicle was first observed, it would be beyond foolish to challenge that,  given that I have no evidence to prove otherwise.
I would like to see the CEO’s evidence though.

Did the traffic warden make a note of the valve position of your wheels?
Did the traffic warden make notes after they issued the PCN? Are you able to see the notes?

I am trying to think of any further information I can add.

At the start of a shift, a CEO prints a 'test ticket' with their handheld. The purpose is to check that certain elements of the test ticket are correct e.g. shoulder number, date, time.

In the event that the data is incorrect, the traffic warden should not leave the office with that equipment.

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2 items totalling the weight of a bag of dishwasher salt i.e. 3kg.

If this is your proof then IMO do not risk the discount on this point.

Hi H C Andersen. Does the OP recently having had shoulder surgery, mean that the usual 'heavy and bulky' requirement for loading / unloading could be adjudicated upon more leniently?

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Hello,

Did you receive anything in the post yet?

If not, can you contact the enforcement authority with your VRM, and ask if they can find any Live PCNs for your vehicle?

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Hello,

I am a traffic warden in London, and have been watching this forum with interest.

This is the first thread where I feel that I may have a unique contribution to make.

I observe cars under contravention code 30F, and to be honest with you, do not record the valve position, because it is too cumbersome a task.

On my handheld, I record when I first 'observe' the vehicle. I note the 'make' and 'colour' of the vehicle. I note the location of the vehicle e.g. outside Tesco Express, then save the observation.

In a shift, I can 'observe' 100 vehicles in the free parking bays, but only issue a PCN to a couple of them.

It is incredibly arduous to record lots and lots of information in an observation that I am most likely going to discard.

I can imagine that it sucks for the motorist, who may have doubts about when I really did start observing their vehicle. However, I tell them that falsifying an observation is a very serious matter, so I would like to think that colleagues don't resort to that.

I was trained to take photos after the contravention has occurred and taught that it is incorrect to take photos of a vehicle that - at that point - is not offending.

One caveat I will mention is that every local authority does seem to have its own modus operandi. With that in mind, I suspect that another warden could come along and say something entirely different from me.

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