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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: variable speed limit - 63 in 50 - question on evidence
« on: July 30, 2025, 03:19:51 pm »
none really - you've actually answered the question I had tbf. i.e. how are cameras positioned and used given that only one shows my actual car. but as I say - asked and answered....

guessing I don't have grounds for refuting this then, ill see what COFP is offered.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: variable speed limit - 63 in 50 - question on evidence
« on: July 30, 2025, 01:59:25 pm »
ok - I guess my point is that there is absolutely nothing in the photos to conclusively prove to ME that I passed under that exact gantry at 63mph. none of the photographs show this. however if they don't have to then this is fine - ill accept the (likely) 3 points.

All the photos really show graphically is me driving down a nondescript piece of motorway. Another photo of a gantry with a speed limit on it and my car not in it. if they are allowed to digitally prove that I am in the photo by gantry photo locations only then that's fine. it is tantamount to stating 'your car isn't visible in this photo but we know where photo 1 was taken and we also know where the auxiliary was taken and even though you aren't in the auxiliary photo the gantry location is enough'.....?

sorry - I don't get the strawberry ref...is it because they aren't consecutive but are all there....not sure...?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: variable speed limit - 63 in 50 - question on evidence
« on: July 30, 2025, 12:29:23 pm »
ok fair enough, I don't think ill get another SAC as I think I'm still in the 2 year window from the last.

I was just seeking clarification as none of the photos show my car with a limit but if they don't have to then that's fine. I just wish id thought to put a bigger SD card in my dashcam!!

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: variable speed limit - 63 in 50 - question on evidence
« on: July 30, 2025, 11:38:08 am »
Quote from: Southpaw82 on July 30, 2025, 11:20:23 am
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My question is reading guidelines on speeding offences

Where have you read that?

just on AI internet searches on radar enforced variable speed limits and I thought also that it was a general guideline that the driver would be aware of the speed limit via visible means i.e. signage and/or other. my point being that in none of the photos is my car visible with a prevailing speed limit shown. however if this is enough for them to prove the case and there is no point me contesting then I will cop the COFP and move on with my life....? my point being that there is no photo showing my car and that gantry in the same shot. it is really difficult using the traffic in the opposite lane to judge where my car will have been in relation to the gantry, my guess is that I've just gone under the gantry (as per other reply) and it was the first one I have seen - I would have slowed sufficiently if there had been previous gantries illuminated. from what I have seen in replies so far I can then infer that it doesn't matter even if this is the first gantry on the motorway showing the speed restriction - there is no grace period for passing under it at over that limit...?

there is no grace period applicable in terms of them having changed suddenly - the timing on the photo says 19 mins and change 'since last change'.

unfortunately my stupid dash cam SD card didn't have enough memory on it and there journey has since been looped over as this would have been conclusive either way. I have now purchased a 512G card!!!

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Speeding and other criminal offences / variable speed limit - 63 in 50 - question on evidence
« on: July 30, 2025, 09:32:40 am »
Hi all,

Great forum and I have read the 'read this first' sticky.

I have received a NIP for an offence of exceeding variable speed by automatic camera device - 63mph in a 50 limit. I have read the NIP carefully and all seems in order and received within guideline times. I have also gone onto staffordshirepas to review the evidence and notify them that I am the driver/keeper.

my question is around this evidence - it is formed of four photographs:

1) my car on what appears to be a relatively empty stretch of motorway
2) close up of rear of my car showing reg on same motorway stretch
3) same photo as 1 with some lines on it and a circle on my rear wheel - I assume these are radar calibration lines or something
4) picture of a different looking section of motorway with gantry signs showing '50'. this photo does NOT show my car.

My question is reading guidelines on speeding offences evidence the evidence 'should' show your car passing speed restriction signs. photo 1 of my car shows no such signs. it is simply my car on a relatively empty section of motorway with no signs in evidence and no gantry. in photo 4 of the gantry showing 50 my car is not present and the motorway is considerably busier. given there is no evidence directly showing my car in it with a speed limit sign do I have grounds to contest the charge? it is also worth noting that I do genuinely observe these limits as I have a speed awareness course for an offence on almost the same stretch of motorway previously within the last two years (I think), so I am genuinely careful. Added to this I'm doing 63 mph on a normal looking motorway stretch so I'm clearly slowing for something - probably just seen the gantry ahead of me (I'm guessing).

the motorway is M6 northbound between j10A-13 (1 mile before J12 for the A5 Telford) and this is what photo 4 shows.

TIA
Steve

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