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I understand. Thank you for your help

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Hi @cp8759,

Could you please check the last sentence of the draft representation.

‘At the location captured by your camera, there are no restrictions or prohibitions on vehicles changing lane at any stage, nor can the turn left arrow embedded into the traffic light array have the effect you think it does: if it did, then all traffic including traffic in the left-hand lane would be required to turn right.‘

Did you mean to say ‘…nor can the turn RIGHT arrow embedded into the traffic light array…’

Also is it possible to add to the grounds for representation by saying ‘that the signs embedded on the traffic lights affecting the proposed offending vehicle are not shown in your evidence and the vehicle is therefore not subject to penalty given the evidence you have provided’?

The video evidence only shows the front of the vehicle, but not the sign on the traffic light that the vehicle crossed. The lights could say absolutely anything!!

I look forward to your advice as this may have an effect on all PCN’s issued at this junction as, it would seem, all PCN’s were likely issued based on this camera as evidence.

Thanks again for your time.

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Am I ok to click the links in your post above without clicking the links in your private message to avoid disturbing the click count?

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Thanks so much. I’m presuming I select the ‘ground for representation’:

‘There was no contravention of a prescribed Order/failure to comply with an indication on a sign/contravention of a lorry ban order (2)’?

I don’t believe any of the other ‘grounds for representation’ fit the case.

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I can draft a technical challenge if you want, basically we can try and catch the council out for failing to consider supporting evidence.

@cp8759 I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

Thanks again for your all your support everyone.

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Thanks. My understanding is you don’t lose the discount by submitting a representation so maybe it’s worth trying in the initial phase. Am I correct?

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Out of interest is there any rule that a blue arrow has to be used in a segregated lane?

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That would be amazing kind sir. Between council’s viciously raising revenue through the aggressive issue of PCN’s and APCOA parking refusing to issue NHS staff with staff parking permits in a timely manner (if at all!), I am finding myself with an increasing number of grey hairs and an unwanted receding hairline!

You all really are angels to the general public that find themselves helpless in these situations.

Thank you

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I totally agree.

Are there any important points I should consider making in my representation that may favour an overturning of the penalty charge notice?

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Thank you @cp8759 for posting the video. I really appreciate your effort.

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I’m keen to see if it is possible to draft a good appeal/representation and see what happens. I think that is probably about as far as I am willing to take it, but I am keen to ‘hammer’ Ealing’s authority if they are taking the public for ‘a ride’ in any way.

I have seen some council’s happy to dish out PCN’s to drivers who park in front of a dropped kerb stating that they are there to serve vulnerable members of the community and driver’s should be aware as the law is written in the driving manual.

However, when people petition to put a line in front of the kerb as a preventative measure, with the same intent of protecting vulnerable members of the community and assisting them with crossing the road, the council resists, presumably because the site is too much of a revenue generator!

It comes across that the welfare of those vulnerable individuals means very little to them, and they’re just being used as an excuse to take money off of the general public…which is blatantly wrong in my humble opinion which is why i question each and every motive made a council, especially when it comes to distributing PCN’s!

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The other reason I am keen to overturn the penalty charge notice issued by Ealing council is down to my experience of receiving a penalty charge notice from them in the past. In that instance, I accidentally turned right on a ‘no right turn’ road as the sign indicating no right turn was not clearly visible and was covered in moss, and the road markings were obstructed by a van, parked over them, stationed there on a double yellow line.

I paid the fine as I was afraid that I would no longer be eligible for the discount if I submitted an appeal. The council responded by saying ‘something’ along the lines of that they took on board the mitigating circumstances, but given that the fine had been paid that the matter was now closed.

I was fuming! I couldn’t believe the arrogance of the council in their response at the time!

As a result I am an advocate of any organisation, like yours, that helps the general public to seek justice against these ‘behemoth’ that prey on vulnerable members of the community!

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Hi John. Yes. But I indicated (as you can see in the video) with the intention of moving into the next lane along once I realised it was right turn only.

I’ve never heard or seen this traffic contravention before and it makes me wonder how hard Ealing are working to issue PCN’s as, when I went back to visit the road where the alleged incident took place, it looked like there were cameras almost every 30-50m. Some for bus lanes and then there were these ones too.

It gave me the impression that this is a ‘gold mine’ of a road for council revenue!!

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I’m afraid I am struggling to convert the video to a postable format. The link to the PCN evidence video is as follows:

https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx?r=59c201257df136c64ed578c64cb635d0704aa7f4

If there is any way an expert can help post this I would be very grateful otherwise I can post the PCN number and vehicle reg in a separate post if it helps.

Again thank you all for your support.

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It does feel like it was this location heading Southbound along the Greenford road:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/GC1qTMbkQ33exYAaA

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