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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - 33e PCN - using Restricted Route - Burbage Road
« on: July 28, 2025, 10:33:44 pm »
Hi Hippocrates. What do you mean by the website issues? I’d like to appeal but it seems I have to pay either way and await a reply. Would that be the case? I’ve appealed Lambeth bus lane fines on my scooter and they’ve always delayed the discounted payment until a decision is reached.
I did mention I’d been to the Velodrome in Bubage Road twice already. I genuinely didn’t expect the fine and was following satnav because it hadn’t wronged me prior to that Monday.
Thx
I did mention I’d been to the Velodrome in Bubage Road twice already. I genuinely didn’t expect the fine and was following satnav because it hadn’t wronged me prior to that Monday.
Thx
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - 33e PCN - using Restricted Route - Burbage Road
« on: July 28, 2025, 02:58:08 pm »
I hope I've provided enough. I also found this article which mentions Burbage Road in particular with:
A motorist has won an appeal against a fine in Dulwich after the adjudicator said “signage of the restricted route is not adequate to alert motorists in the restrictions in place.”
This could open the floodgates to a whole series of appeals with Southwark council possibly having to return thousands of pounds in fines they have already pocketed over the signs at Burbage Road / Gallery Road.
And it could lead to other motorists fined for going through LTNs in Southwark – and in neighbouring boroughs – following suit.
Motorist Margaret Condon posted details of her successful appeal on Next Door social media:
Take heart I have made successful appeal to London Tribunals and a rebate on your fine may be claimed by you.
My case ref 2210441488 JK03571005 ( Mrs Margaret Condon)
Appeal adjudicated by Mr Sean Stanton-Dunn on 26 August 2022 Address London Tribunals. P.O. Box 10598, Nottingham, NG6 6DR.
“I am allowing appeal because I agree that the signage of the restricted route is not adequate to alert motorists in the restrictions in place.
A motorist has won an appeal against a fine in Dulwich after the adjudicator said “signage of the restricted route is not adequate to alert motorists in the restrictions in place.”
This could open the floodgates to a whole series of appeals with Southwark council possibly having to return thousands of pounds in fines they have already pocketed over the signs at Burbage Road / Gallery Road.
And it could lead to other motorists fined for going through LTNs in Southwark – and in neighbouring boroughs – following suit.
Motorist Margaret Condon posted details of her successful appeal on Next Door social media:
Take heart I have made successful appeal to London Tribunals and a rebate on your fine may be claimed by you.
My case ref 2210441488 JK03571005 ( Mrs Margaret Condon)
Appeal adjudicated by Mr Sean Stanton-Dunn on 26 August 2022 Address London Tribunals. P.O. Box 10598, Nottingham, NG6 6DR.
“I am allowing appeal because I agree that the signage of the restricted route is not adequate to alert motorists in the restrictions in place.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - 33e PCN - using Restricted Route - Burbage Road
« on: July 28, 2025, 01:28:20 pm »
I was hoping the video would be revealing as it was 18 seconds long and could have shown me entering the Velodrome but it cut to a photo montage at 8 seconds in. That's when I put my indicator on I expect.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - 33e PCN - using Restricted Route - Burbage Road
« on: July 28, 2025, 01:21:43 pm »
There's more coming. I've just checked out the photos and video they hold as it was seemingly available.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark Council - 33e PCN - using Restricted Route - Burbage Road
« on: July 28, 2025, 01:16:17 pm »
Thanks....
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Southwark Council - 33e PCN - using Restricted Route - Burbage Road
« on: July 28, 2025, 12:32:07 pm »
I have received a PCN from Southwark Council for entering Burbage Road from Turney Road to attend a cycling lesson for my little boy at the Velodrome. I'd like to appeal and wouldn't mind a bit of help if possible.
I live in West Norwood and although local, I don't know the Herne Hill area enormously well. I had been to the Velodrome for lessons twice on consecutive Saturdays and then my Wife booked a 4pm lesson on a Monday as it was the school holidays. I didn't register on the Saturday visits that there was a restriction in place on the road during weekdays, AM and PM. TomTom took me a different route to the Saturdays and I didn't realise there was an issue until I turned into Burbage Road and the road turned red on screen. The turn into the Velodrome's only entrance and its public car park is approx 60 metres into Burbage Road as you can see from the photos. I have a receipt for the lesson and this is also linked.
Where do I stand on this? Can anyone offer any help?
GoogleMap and Streetview links:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wFNc982tppwgVEWf8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/P2X2L5iLXZA9Ktod8
I can't say I paid much attention to the big sign on Turney Road as I glanced at SatNav as it told me to turn left. On turning into Burbage Road, the smaller signs are angled such that you can't actually see them and are covered by trees on approach. This is apparent in the supplied photos. I’ve now viewed the video which shows me travelling a tiny portion of the road and cuts before I indicate to turn right into the Velodrome. I read that Southwark have lost a few cases regarding Burbage Road recently so hope that works in my favour. Links to that provided.
I'd expect them to support the amenities they have instead of screwing over their customers. I'm taking a 6 year old to a cycling lesson and don't wish to park miles from the venue when it has parking facilities on site. Surely this is safer for the kids too. To be clear, the lesson started at 4pm and we all have to safely cross the outer ring of the Velodrome for it. We have to arrive earlier to be on a painted line at 4pm or we forfeit the lesson and fee.
Hope that all links up and thanks in advance for any assistance you might provide. As you can see, I drive a 12 year old Subaru so I’m the kind of man who’d like to avoid handing over my hard earned English Pounds to the ‘Man’ for such a minor infraction.
Ritchie
I live in West Norwood and although local, I don't know the Herne Hill area enormously well. I had been to the Velodrome for lessons twice on consecutive Saturdays and then my Wife booked a 4pm lesson on a Monday as it was the school holidays. I didn't register on the Saturday visits that there was a restriction in place on the road during weekdays, AM and PM. TomTom took me a different route to the Saturdays and I didn't realise there was an issue until I turned into Burbage Road and the road turned red on screen. The turn into the Velodrome's only entrance and its public car park is approx 60 metres into Burbage Road as you can see from the photos. I have a receipt for the lesson and this is also linked.
Where do I stand on this? Can anyone offer any help?
GoogleMap and Streetview links:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wFNc982tppwgVEWf8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/P2X2L5iLXZA9Ktod8
I can't say I paid much attention to the big sign on Turney Road as I glanced at SatNav as it told me to turn left. On turning into Burbage Road, the smaller signs are angled such that you can't actually see them and are covered by trees on approach. This is apparent in the supplied photos. I’ve now viewed the video which shows me travelling a tiny portion of the road and cuts before I indicate to turn right into the Velodrome. I read that Southwark have lost a few cases regarding Burbage Road recently so hope that works in my favour. Links to that provided.
I'd expect them to support the amenities they have instead of screwing over their customers. I'm taking a 6 year old to a cycling lesson and don't wish to park miles from the venue when it has parking facilities on site. Surely this is safer for the kids too. To be clear, the lesson started at 4pm and we all have to safely cross the outer ring of the Velodrome for it. We have to arrive earlier to be on a painted line at 4pm or we forfeit the lesson and fee.
Hope that all links up and thanks in advance for any assistance you might provide. As you can see, I drive a 12 year old Subaru so I’m the kind of man who’d like to avoid handing over my hard earned English Pounds to the ‘Man’ for such a minor infraction.
Ritchie
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