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Thanks @InterCity125, very much appreciated.

I'm thinking of keeping my initial appeal short and focusing on keeper liability, something along the following lines.

Does this seem correct, or would you suggest any changes?

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Dear Sir or Madam,

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle.

Your Notice to Keeper does not comply with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. In particular, it does not satisfy paragraph 9(2)(b), as it fails to inform the keeper "that the driver is required to pay the parking charge and that the parking charge has not been paid in full."

As you have not complied with all the applicable requirements of Schedule 4, you cannot transfer liability for the parking charge to the registered keeper.

I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver, and I will not be doing so.

In the circumstances, please confirm that the Parking Charge Notice has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

The Registered Keeper

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Hi all,

I'm looking for some advice before submitting an appeal to UKPC.

I've received a Notice to Keeper from UK Parking Control.

Key dates:

* Date of alleged contravention: 7 June 2026
* Date of Notice to Keeper: 16 June 2026
* Date received: 19 June 2026

Location:

The Avenue / Windmill Drive, NW2 1US

Google Maps location:

(https://maps.app.goo.gl/sZbueGSwzeoda7h67)

Notice to Keeper:

https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCBoH3i-LZMS5rDgIeJOyuBAcz6piE5-g-_5fNfwDN29Ow
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQAQM0BFXAPoSYfaKcUcd5_2ATv_vsVvuBR-rWLdcKqmpsw

Signage:

These are clearest signs I've managed to find from Google maps. One at the entrance to the estate and the second inside the estate. I will aim to go back and take some clear pics of the signs.

https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQBva4bCSo5ySoBEkN1HPC44AdNCayk4gHcRc373Q7Ln3Xk?e=aQqAWE
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQDqfzG7p0PUQpfoYfNv2le1Affw-WUkQuzqJvFOMbF90a0?e=88FGFg

The PCN states the vehicle was observed from 09:43:29 to 10:05:23 (21 minutes 54 seconds). The alleged contravention is:

"Parked in an area designated for registered users only."

The driver was collecting an IKEA dressing table from a resident after arranging the purchase through Facebook Marketplace. The vehicle was parked directly outside the seller's building to collect and load the item.

The driver went to the seller's second-floor flat to collect the already assembled dressing table (away from the vehicle for around 2–3 minutes). After bringing it downstairs, the driver attempted to load it into the vehicle but discovered it would not fit while assembled. The table therefore had to be dismantled beside the vehicle before it could be loaded. Once loading was complete, the vehicle departed.

The vehicle remained at the location only for as long as was reasonably necessary to collect and load the furniture.

The driver has Facebook Marketplace messages showing the collection was pre-arranged, that the item was fully assembled, and that the seller lived on the second floor. The seller is also willing to provide a statement confirming what happened if required.

My initial thought was to appeal on the basis that the vehicle was engaged in a genuine loading activity rather than parking. Given the circumstances, does that appear to be a strong basis for an appeal?

I'd also be grateful if someone could advise if the Notice to Keeper complies with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, or whether there are any defects that could assist my appeal.

Finally, if there are any other issues with the signage, the PCN, UKPC's compliance with the BPA Code of Practice, or any other aspect of the case that you think I should raise, I'd really appreciate your feedback before I submit the registered keeper's appeal.

Many thanks for your time and advice.

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Appeal accepted. The PCN has been cancelled. I've left the adjudicators comments below. Hopefully it can be of benefit to someone else.

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"There is a requirement to pay at this site. There are two issue here. The driver's vehicle remains for forty-six minutes but only pays for thirty, so on the face of it that seems to be that they have not paid for the duration of the vehicle stay.

However, the driver is entitled to time to consider the terms and comply. They have paid after approximately five minutes. I have seen one piece of evidence which shows the time of payment as 13:20:12 all other show 13:20, which will be important.

The time ends at 13:50 and as this is not a short stay free to park area, but a paid for session I am content there is a grace period at this site. The vehicle leaves at 14:00:59. Now had it left at 14:01 there could be no disputed that the vehicle had left beyond the ten minute grace period. The payment refers to the time on site so this is the relevant time for all matters, not the time parked.

In ordinary cases we only have the time to the minute, so that we do not know if the payment was made at 13:20:01, 13:20:59 or somewhere between the two. So it a payment session expires at 13:50 and the vehicle leaves at 14:00, even if it is 14:00:59 I cannot assume it is outside of the ten minute grace period.

However, here we know the vehicle payment expired at 13:50:12 so the vehicle was outside that time. Yet that is not the question, the question is what was the time communicated to the Appellant. If it were 13:50, they are entitled to believe that they have to purchase more time or leave by 14:00. They did, by the skin of their teeth and the appeal is allowed. "

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Hi all,

Apologies for the long post, but I wanted to set out the full background clearly as the case is now at the second appeal stage with the Independent Appeals Service (IAS); I’ve tried to be brief where I can and have linked to the relevant documents for brevity.

I’m looking for advice on a private parking charge from One Parking Solution (OPS) at Elm Park Car Park. OPS have submitted their prima facie case/comments and I now have the opportunity to respond.

I would appreciate any feedback before I submit my response.

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## 1. Initial parking event

OPS issued a Parking Charge Notice for: “Parking duration not paid in full”

Initial Parking Charge Notice / Notice to Keeper:
https://1drv.ms/b/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCKwHgRPG5kTIS2tycxa5KLAQriLFzlwVSMIvvos9U5WRg?e=XfJfU4

The alleged contravention occurred at:

Elm Park Car Park
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWB1WUgi9yk3qWTKA

The vehicle was recorded by ANPR:
  • Entry: 13:14:42
  • Exit: 14:00:59
  • Total recorded site duration: 46 minutes 17 seconds


A parking session was purchased via the authorised payment app:


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## 2. Signage at the car park

Photos / documents of the signs can be found here:
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCoGDSJI6ceQKnIatWr8E_fAfcG6pEEogFc8u4TXP0IvQ8
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQAC8nmE0exzTrlOg766ITU7Acio7N0-UB26d9aH2doX6eU
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQBfGs1xrJ-gR6gcWUeK0alUAfl1UrugJcZUB33NV4WGO7M
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## 3. Initial appeal to OPS

I appealed to OPS as the keeper. Initial appeal submitted to OPS:
https://1drv.ms/b/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQDN03aAOzdoSIwgG8b5exPwAXG2f5QuuwXjmOal_ovVrGI?e=h7fNwH

I also used these forum posts discussing the 10-minute grace period as guidance when preparing my appeal: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/.

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## 4. OPS rejection

OPS rejected the appeal.

Their rejection letter stated the reason for issue as:

**“Parking duration not paid in full”**

They gave the contravention time as **14:00:59**, but did not explain:

  • the precise period allegedly unpaid;
  • the exact second the paid session was said to have expired
  • how the alleged unpaid period was calculated
  • what grace period, if any, had been applied.

OPS rejection letter:
https://1drv.ms/b/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQDNk18maCkXSpAXe0Wsv1IZAfotNMBLHWzWQT90gg9qx-s?e=gOPqNW

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## 5. IAS appeal

I then appealed to the Independent Appeals Service.

My IAS appeal can be found here:
https://1drv.ms/t/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCfwsVL6j7HRLZd2Qg8GPD3AYAgIIGTbhRjhrBUXpZNknA?e=IGteKj

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## 6. OPS comments / prima facie case

OPS have now submitted their comments.

Their key point appears to be that their payment data shows the driver was permitted to park until 13:50:12, and the vehicle exited at 14:00:59.

This means that, even on OPS’s own case, the vehicle was only 47 seconds beyond a 10-minute grace period.

OPS prima facie case / comments:
https://1drv.ms/t/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQD-2kIgnZzGQqlmfs-82VrMARYY3q6SnFXam9CAcInDDUA?e=6glE7b

These are the files they've uploaded:
https://1drv.ms/f/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IgD0mbYfwhdXQrOp9EB7t2DhATQKs3Jjs_McOojutL6xXKk?e=l2vfAY

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## 7. Draft response to OPS comments

This is the response I am considering submitting:

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The operator’s prima facie case confirms that payment was made and states that the vehicle was permitted to park until 13:50:12, with the vehicle exiting at 14:00:59. On the operator’s own case, the alleged excess beyond a 10-minute grace period is therefore only 47 seconds.

This is not a material breach. A grace period is intended to allow a motorist a reasonable period to leave the site after the paid period ends. The operator has treated 10 minutes as an absolute hard cut-off, despite the requirement being for at least 10 minutes and despite the alleged excess being less than one minute.

The operator’s own signage confirms that ANPR is in use and that parking charges are issued in accordance with the IPC Code of Practice. The same sign also states that “parking charges will be issued and escalated in accordance with the Code of Practice”. Therefore, the operator must apply the Code reasonably, including grace-period requirements.

The operator’s evidence also confirms that the site requires payment to cover the full duration “from time of entry to time of exit”. However, their own PopPay Plus sign says sessions must be purchased “immediately upon arrival” and “prior to leaving site”, and the digital payment system starts only once the driver has accessed the app/payment process. This supports the need for a reasonable consideration period between ANPR entry and payment completion.

The operator’s rejection letter did not state that the paid session expired at 13:50:12, did not explain how the alleged unpaid period was calculated, and did not identify what grace period had been applied. It merely stated “Parking duration not paid in full” and gave the contravention time as 14:00:59. That calculation has only now been clarified in the operator’s comments.

The operator also stated in its rejection letter that my appeal was received on 07/04/2026*, but the appeal evidence confirms it was submitted at 22:33 on 26/03/2026, with “Keeper” selected. OPS now accepts this was an administrative error. While that error alone is not determinative, it further supports my position that the operator’s handling and calculation should not simply be accepted without scrutiny.

This case turns entirely on seconds. The operator has not provided evidence that the ANPR cameras and payment system clocks were synchronised to the same time source, nor evidence of calibration, maintenance, or timestamp accuracy. Where the alleged breach is only 47 seconds beyond the operator’s own stated 10-minute period, strict proof of timing accuracy is essential.

The operator’s site map shows multiple signs within the site and confirms that the entrance sign is separate from the contract signs and payment signage. The entrance sign itself only says “Pay On Arrival”, “Terms & Conditions apply”, and “See signage within the car park for App payment details”; it does not set out the full contractual terms or the £100 charge at the point of entry. This again reinforces that a reasonable consideration period must be allowed.

The operator has asserted that it is instructed by the freehold landowner, but I can see no evidence of landowner authority in the documents provided. No contemporaneous contract, witness statement, or written authority has been produced showing that OPS has the right to issue and enforce Parking Charge Notices at this location in its own name. The operator is therefore put to strict proof of its standing. A statement in its own submissions or on its own signage is not evidence of landowner authority.

In summary, OPS’s own evidence shows that the alleged excess is only 47 seconds after the 10-minute grace period. That is de minimis, particularly in an ANPR-controlled site where the recorded exit time is not the same as the actual end of parking. The charge is therefore disproportionate, unsupported by adequate timing evidence, and should be cancelled.

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Any feedback on the above before I submit my response would be appreciated.

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I was loading from a block of flats inside the estate next to the shutters. This was the closest place to park next to that building.

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Hi all,

I’d really appreciate some advice on a PCN I’ve received from Islington Council.

Contravention: Code 62 – parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of a road other than a carriageway
Location: City Road, (Outside a garage entrance with shutters (crossover area))
Date/Time: 15/04/2026 - PCN states contravention at 18:41, observed from 18:41 to 18:41
Photos: Council photos are timestamped 18:42–18:43

My car was partially on the sloped crossover area in front of a garage. There were no markings and it didn’t appear to be a typical pavement, but I understand that may not matter in London.

PCN:
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCLrBuwFRiuQpbON_tHiRSsASZ5hAsjFWqa4g6aZe31tto?e=y3Vov0
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQAV1m8WALcvRoSb8u2dqgqgAc2J4p_lZ7kF58K1XKtGaMI?e=ul4okg

CEO photos:
https://1drv.ms/b/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCes7YN9OvJRbOWp6uNv6YZAbW9fl-jAPU3uvYDLuaBges?e=eY670b

Google Street View:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/kzRadaTVkZARfBX77

A couple of things I wanted to check:

Whether this area clearly counts as footway/crossover for the purposes of code 62
If there are any technical or procedural grounds I might have missed

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Thanks all for your thoughts and help. I've sent an appeal but not expecting much. Might leave it here when it gets rejected.

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I didn't have any specific evidence the land wasn't relevant for PoFA. In another case with a private companies parking charge it turned out the land wasn't relevant. However, I appreciate that not all cases will be the same.

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I’m hoping for some advice on a Parking Charge Notice I’ve received dated 18/02/2026 from Elm Park Car Park.

PCN available here:

Car park location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWB1WUgi9yk3qWTKA

Sign at entry:
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQCoGDSJI6ceQKnIatWr8E_fAfcG6pEEogFc8u4TXP0IvQ8

Previous sign inside car park instructing to use poppay app:
https://1drv.ms/i/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQDfXZz9m_boS5yJzTKlPqpyAbbnvvgHAZaBCJLQQbrQzmQ?e=zsKLvm

I will try to upload the current signs inside the car park later this week.

Summary of what happened:
  • The ANPR cameras show my vehicle entering the car park on 16:29:06 on 11/02/2026
  • The driver then paid for two separate 30-minute sessions whilst there. From 16:46 to 17:16. Then a second session from 17:16 to 17:46
  • The driver then left the car park around 16 minutes after final paid session expired at 18:02

The receipts for the two parking sessions are available here:

The driver had previously parked at Elm Park Car Park, where payment was made via the PopPay app. So they parked and left to go to the coffee shop, attempting to pay using PopPay as before. It wasn't working so they returned and saw signage stating that payment now had to be made using PopPay Plus app. A combination of poor mobile data, downloading the new app, signing up, it not accepting Google Pay, and having to manually retrieve and enter card details from their banking app (as they did not have their physical card), the process took approximately 15 minutes from entry.

On exit, the driver got back to the car around 17:30 and then received an important call from their solicitor. Lost track of time and left when the call was over at 18:02.

Would "the land is not relevant for the purposes of PoFA and so liability for the charge rests with the unidentified driver. There can be no Keeper liability." potentially be applicable here?

Any pointers drafting a strong initial appeal would be hugely appreciated.

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Good evening,

Got a rejection letter for the appeal. The letter is available at this link: https://1drv.ms/b/c/65d99d5b27829f48/IQArtPxBLWG7QZlqxSXqKw--AWOK_IcnfRDOwYam6g83hrc?e=iKlUhC

What is the likeliness of having success if I was to take this to tribunal?

Many Thanks

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Here's a draft of the appeal:

I make formal representations against Penalty Charge Notice XXXXX on the ground of procedural impropriety.

The Penalty Charge Notice is legally flawed because it misstates the circumstances in which a Charge Certificate may be served.

The PCN states:

“Failure to pay the penalty charge in full before the end of the 28 Day Period may lead to the charge increasing by 50% to £240.00 and a Charge Certificate being served…”

This wording is incorrect and misleading.

Under Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, a Charge Certificate may only be served if:
   •   no representations are made within the 28-day period, or
   •   representations are made and subsequently rejected, and the penalty charge is not paid within 28 days of service of a Notice of Rejection.

The PCN unlawfully suggests that a Charge Certificate may be issued automatically at the end of the 28-day period beginning with the date of the notice, regardless of whether representations are made. This fetters the recipient’s statutory right to make representations and misstates the legal position.

This constitutes a procedural impropriety and renders the Penalty Charge Notice unenforceable.

I therefore request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

Feedback would be most welcomed!

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Thanks again. Should I include in my appeal, the fact they mentioned they'll serve charge certificate within 28 days of notice? Or is it something to use during the tribunal?


Thanks in Advance.

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Thanks both. @Hippocrates Could you help me understand why the pcn is flawed? They haven't served the charge certificate yet.

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