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Second PCN also cancelled on appeal. Thanks so much to all who advised and assisted; greatly appreciated!

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Should I be using much the same content from the second reps for any tribunal bits moving forward? Thanks.

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So I’ve just received two letters from H&F, one confirming the first PCN has been cancelled and the other rejecting the representation. Their decision: ‘I have considered what you have said and all the available evidence, but I do not agree that we should cancel your liability for this PCN.’ No idea how/ why one is any different from the other, but should I appeal to the adjudicator at this stage? Thanks for any further help!

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Understood. Thank you!

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In idiot terms (me being the idiot in question!) is this good news? I’ve still to hear back from them, but am not particularly worried at this stage. Having driven the A4 repeatedly since, it’s so obviously a botched job.

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Thanks so much for your help, John. Have submitted a revised edit to H&F. Fingers crossed.

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And regarding the second challenge, I’m assuming it’s best to reformat much like the PDF attached to that previous thread?

So yes, reformat and submit as pdf. You may wish to incorporate points from that submission.

As always, post draft here for comment first, but do not miss deadline.


Thanks, I have redrafted and attached for comment.

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Thanks again.

I emailed enquiries@lbhfparking.com on 13/07 regarding the first PCN. There is a link to the first page of the second — dated 14/07 — in an earlier post.

I will redraft the reps for the second and post here prior to sending.

Thank you.

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Thanks again, John.

My only thinking was that I would need to get back in contact with them regarding the second PCN before the 14 days from 14/07 had elapsed. Is that correct, or does it not matter here?

And regarding the second challenge, I’m assuming it’s best to reformat much like the PDF attached to that previous thread?

Thank you.

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Thank you, John.

PCN #1.1
PCN #1.2
PCN #1.3

PCN #2

First challenge:

Good evening,

I’ve just returned from my holidays, and am mortified to have found a PCN (HZ93433791) relating to a ‘52M’ on 01/07/2025.

My parents used to live in the area, and Rivercourt Road is one I’ve driven down endlessly over the years, albeit less so recently. Obviously every previous time, I’ve never received anything like this. I was completely unaware of what must be a new(ish?) restriction, or else there is no way I would’ve taken this particular route. Indeed, I only noticed the change once I’d made the turning and was overwhelmed with signage, but without any option to reverse back out into the 40mph A4 for reasons self-explanatory. I think the road is one-way (or used to be?) anyway…

Of course, this was the last time I’ll be deviating from the A4 in order to get to Shepherd’s Bush, but also the first I’ve ever heard of this restriction. A lesson definitively learned. But I’m unsure as to what else I could’ve done, aside from doing something extremely dangerous, and potentially lethal? With no prior warning either.

Any response to what is very evidently a totally honest mistake would be gratefully received.

Thank you in advance,
[NAME REDACTED].


Second draft challenge:

Having since received a second PCN (HZ93517337), I realise the first time I noticed the new signage was on 06/07 rather than 01/07, hence my driving down Rivercourt Road twice in the same week – something that I of course would not have done otherwise.

I drove down the A4 on 20/07 and for the first time, I noticed both variable message signs (pretty difficult to read in daylight) and two very temporary, inadequately sized, and decidedly unclear portable signs on the roadside. I was, as goes without saying, consciously looking out for any indication of this new restriction, and don’t recall seeing any of this on either prior occasion but obviously the A4 requires complete attention at all times given how busy it is, taking into account the many vehicles merging from Weltje Road and the BP petrol station, and so on.

In addition, the branches of a nearby tree are currently obfuscating the signs on Rivercourt Road itself, making it practically impossible to see them without having already made the turning. As I’ve previously suggested, to then reverse is entirely out of the question. Again, and to reiterate, I’m really unsure as to what else I could’ve done here.


Any further guidance would obviously be hugely appreciated!

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Thanks for the reply. So is the general consensus still to contest? As you say, the whole thing seems entirely ludicrous.

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Apologies for dragging Rivercourt Road back up to the top of the pile, but I’ve received two PCNs (52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles) within a week. The first was received and challenged before the second arrived last week.

Basically, the first I saw of any newly implemented restriction was among the flurry of confusing signage upon entering the second time, but I drove along the A4 yesterday and only saw two very temporary, minuscule and pretty unclear signs on the roadside, and two programmable electronic boards. Also pretty temporary in appearance, difficult to read, and more like the kind of thing you’d expect for events or roadworks.

This is clearly quite a hot topic in The Flame Pit, but I was wondering whether anyone had any recent experience of having these sorts of PCNs cancelled?

Thanks in advance for any help with this!

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