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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: August 01, 2025, 10:26:03 pm »
I am sorry. i used my google timeline as the basis for that info. i don't know how or where that restriction is in realo life and to be honest in the videos all i see is a car drivinhg then a car driving again.

Please don't be cross about my lack of understanding. i am an infrequent driver and did not know about these restricted bits. That's all.

Thank you for trying to help me though.  I have a plan and am getting email help  from Hipprocrates from this point and gosh I do need it eh???

Sorry if I sound defeated. I am not, only deflated.

Again, thank you for your time HC

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: August 01, 2025, 05:20:21 am »
I really am so upset by this. I've walked and cycled 100+ times down that road and have NEVER noticed the signs. I no longer own a car and  had no idea these restrictions were even a thing. I cycle EVERYWHERE so I am usually more than aware  keeping up to date with local road changes including  highway code updates etc.

This was the first time I had driven since my son died in November so was taking extra care as I got used to the vehicle.The only reason I can think of for not responding to the signs is maybe I was TOO focused on driving and so less on the areaq as I thought I know these roads well.

~I am clearly in the wrong - it is me driving . But  I can't believe they got me twice for same thing 2 mins apart.

Southwark council are thieves.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: August 01, 2025, 04:47:04 am »
On 1st July I drove along Denmark Hill** turned left into *depesigny Park then left onto grove lane******. I was looking for somewhere to park before realising it was all permits only and so turned around and drove straight back up Grove lane and onto Dog Kennel Hill then home. I did not stop.

On ** 16th July I received notification from EuropCar Hire (the car was on hire) that they had received and subsequently paid at the discount level two PCNs for the following contravention

Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian and cycle zone  53c *****    Grove Lane junction Windsor Walk 14.54 1 July

       ""                  Grove Lane junction De Crespigny Park 14.56 1 July

The prohibition is in Grove Lane and extends from its junction with Windsor Walk to De Crespigny Road. These contraventions were caught on separate cameras situated at the 2 junctions which are some 135m apart.

Europcar letter included an invoice(s) for £250  representing 2x fines @ £80 each + 2 x administration fees @ £45 each .
The letter informs me they have already paid the fines and will automatically take the money from the same card I used to hire the vehicle in 14days (30th July)

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I'm sorry I really don't know if this is what you meant but here it is anyway. Ive just filled in the blanks from your message query. Apologies if that's not what you meant . I don't do online/typing well and this is my first active forum query  in years and years.



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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: July 21, 2025, 02:27:37 pm »
Thank you

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: July 21, 2025, 08:21:40 am »
So I have no chance of even getting the fine to the one charge?
I feel quite sick.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: July 20, 2025, 09:47:55 pm »
They have already paid it/them

If appealed at later stage they will refund.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: July 20, 2025, 09:29:49 pm »
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zuji5XaEjLypeLbeA

https://maps.app.goo.gl/BSpxY2biasBbsFDn9

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / SOUHWARK : charged twice for 53c grove lane junction de crespigny park/windsor walk
« on: July 20, 2025, 08:55:31 pm »
Hello,

I recently hired a car and since have received 2 PCNs from Southwark councilo within 2 minutes of each other.
I have attached both 53C

I did not see the signage AT ALL. This seems awfully unfair.

I came across the exact issue from someone on your site dated december 2024.

As it was a hire car the fine has automatically been paid (2x£80 + 2x£45admin fee from hire company. TOTAL=£250)

How do I go about complaining re being charged TWICE in 2 minutes ?
Also, could you tell me how to include mitigating circumstances in my appeal as I saw on some sites I could appeal on the grounds of certain life events impacting my ability to see less obviously place signage in this area?
Would this help my appeal ? or should i focus on reducing this hefty double fine to just the one?

I was so happy (but infuriated) to read how much help you gave to the user appealing the fine from the exact same area .

Any advice /templates you coulod direct me to is very much appreciated.

I am happy to share my mitigating circumstances privately at this point if more infomation is needed

p.s the screenshot of the signs  was taken from afore mentioned user's post

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Grove+Lane+%26+Windsor+Walk,+London+SE5+8SL/@51.4696723,-0.0909738,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x48760383dd4ad879:0x8551b5828612eaf7!8m2!3d51.4691119!4d-0.0871465!16s%2Fg%2F11hb3vvybr?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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